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zac510 wrote:What part of it looks like an MP4/20??

Put them next to each other and I bet you couldn't tell me.

It has a triple element front wing, thats about the only similarity. oh and it has 4 wheels.
The nose, the triple element front wing, the high undercut sidepods, zero keel!.....its looks very mp4-20ish. It looks nothin like previous williiams'.

I wonder what car they got there inspiration from. :roll:

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I don't see where you people find big similarity between Williams and Mclaren?

R26 and 4/21 are much more similar to each other than Williams is to any. No keel, so what? Williams had twin keel for so long and swithing to no keel from twin keel isn't that great step.

Rear end looks great...

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Alongside the new V8 powerplant in the drivetrain design strategy has been the progression of Williams seamless shift technology which is anticipated to come on stream in the early part of the 2006 season. This seven-speed continuous torque gearbox owes much of its development progression to the joint validation work conducted on Cosworth’s dynos in Northampton, indicative of the depth and strength of the technical partnership. Seamless transmission can be worth up to 0.4 seconds over the course of an average racing lap.
What do they consider by "seamless"?

Future history note: ...In 2006 Williams shook the world of F1 by intorducing revolutionary gearbox which enabled Nico Rosberg to become Champion in his rookie season. :wink:
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The nose looks nothing like the McLaren one. It looks more like a Ferrari nose, if you insist on drawing a comparison as the only analysis you can make!

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and we name this car "who needs BMW" :D
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zac510 wrote:The nose looks nothing like the McLaren one. It looks more like a Ferrari nose, if you insist on drawing a comparison as the only analysis you can make!
How can you say the nose looks nothing like a mclaren mp4-20? It looks very similar, it has the same concept with maybe a few alterations on the width at the bottom of it or whatever.
Are you anti-mclaren or something? Reluctant to admit the the car lookes like last years mclaren? It does and you know it. I'm not bothered either way, i hope the car does really well being british and all and what better way to design a car than designin it around a car which won 10 races last season.
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Here's a photo of MP4/20:
http://www.f1-fansite.com/wallpaper/200 ... 0-1600.jpg

Here's a photo of FW28 nose:
http://www.f1total.com//bilder/2006/pra ... //z023.jpg

I'm not anti-McLaren at all, I just don't see the similarity!

manchild, I love the really big cutout in the engine cover. Pushing the bodywork rules :)

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4/20 had much wider and flatter nose, more pulled back and higher, with wider curved elements that connect nose and wing...

FW28 hasn't got any of it.
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zac510 wrote:Here's a photo of MP4/20:
http://www.f1-fansite.com/wallpaper/200 ... 0-1600.jpg

Here's a photo of FW28 nose:
http://www.f1total.com//bilder/2006/pra ... //z023.jpg

I'm not anti-McLaren at all, I just don't see the similarity!

manchild, I love the really big cutout in the engine cover. Pushing the bodywork rules :)
The nose has the same concept, it swoops the same, only little difference is at certain points the williams nose is not as wide as the mclaren. The concept is still teh same however with the low swooping effect onto the 3rd element wing.

The conceptsare the same.

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The triple element front wing isn't shatteringly new... we've seen it on and off the FW26. The shape is very Williams. I have to admit though, the nose looks very MP4-20. Ditto the sidepod inlets.

But very good looking car... just compared it with a pic of the BMW Sauber. Really, now THAT is a pregnant car.

Does anyone else notice how the livery is almost a reverse of the BMW Sauber as well btw? I guess wearing white DOES make you look fat.

Now can we move on to more interesting topics please... like the gearbox?

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joseff wrote:The triple element front wing isn't shatteringly new... we've seen it on and off the FW26. The shape is very Williams.

I have to admit though, the nose looks very MP4-20. Ditto the sidepod inlets.

Now can we move on to more interesting topics please... like the gearbox?
I think that gearbox ends before the rear wheels and that most that follows back is diff and necessary suspension fixture points.

I hope Cosworth made a good engine [-o< It would be a shame to see new concept in F1 after so many years fail because of bad powerplant [-o<
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Ones flat the others round, so they are not really the same,

I have to say when i first saw the picture i though the nose was flat like the mclaren. then i saw a better picture and relised its not
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So... my view on this car:
- Don't really see what is so special about that rear end. There are no pics of the rear or from the top, only a sideways pic and I don't dare to say anything about the rear end therefore.
- The nose... well it's unique, I see no resemblance with the MP4-20. However, I think it's too fat, a simple comparison to the nose cone of the 248 F1 will show you what I mean
- The most striking to me are the sidepods. In fact Williams have opted since 2002 for keeping the sidepods low, and now they do something like the Minardi PS05. The air inlets however are shaped quite the same as they were in the China spec of the FW27.
- Still those gigantic chimneys :shock:

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Tomba, try erasing all of additional vertical extention of the aribox cover and you'll see how hollow it will look like. On upper view you'll see how low and tight the top of the diff and gearbox is compared to other cars...very streamlined. That car must have awesome COG and probably great ballace/handling including the rear end aero...

I'm still not sure what they mean by "Seamless transmission" or "seamless shift technology" which BTW, if I've understood right won't appear in Bahrain but couple of races later?

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I think it is a Weismann shift mechanism, as rhm pointed out on the Atlas forum.

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I don't see the benefit of this steep back. Wouldn't it cause swirl or counter the downforce? Why didn't they shorten the wheelbase?