Turkish GP 2010 - Istanbul Park

[myurr]

Vettel
14 1.32.430 in
15 1.48.626 out
16 1.31.937

Hamilton
14 1.32.616
15 1.32.479 in
16 1.51.203 out


Gap progress (Ham-Vet)
14 -2.094
15 -18.241
16 + 1.025

So Vettel gained about half a second through the pits, leaving a 1.5 second deficit. So the sticking wheel nut made the world of difference.

[ISLAMATRON]

Red Bull Told To Modify Car Part In Turkey: Yet another element of Red Bull's pace-setting RB6 had to be modified ahead of last weekend's Turkish Grand Prix. After Monaco, it was reported that McLaren had identified a part of the 2010 Red Bull's rear diffuser that did not conform with the regulations and had to be altered in the Principality. Germany's Auto Motor und Sport now reveals that an element of the rear suspension was changed at Istanbul Park last weekend. The report said the elements in question, hidden behind six burly Red Bull mechanics on recent Grand Prix grids, were aerodynamically shaped and at a 20 degree horizontal angle rather than the allowed five. In response, Adrian Newey's design team reportedly shrouded the parts with round tubing in order to nullify the downforce-producing effect.

[myurr]

Red Bull Told To Modify Car Part In Turkey: Yet another element of Red Bull's pace-setting RB6 had to be modified ahead of last weekend's Turkish Grand Prix. After Monaco, it was reported that McLaren had identified a part of the 2010 Red Bull's rear diffuser that did not conform with the regulations and had to be altered in the Principality. Germany's Auto Motor und Sport now reveals that an element of the rear suspension was changed at Istanbul Park last weekend. The report said the elements in question, hidden behind six burly Red Bull mechanics on recent Grand Prix grids, were aerodynamically shaped and at a 20 degree horizontal angle rather than the allowed five. In response, Adrian Newey's design team reportedly shrouded the parts with round tubing in order to nullify the downforce-producing effect.

If true, and it may well not be, then what exactly is the point of the FIA scrutineering? This is exactly the kind of thing they should be ruling on at the first race - or preferably at a session a week or so before, giving the teams a chance to make corrections and get judgements whilst they still have time to make changes. It shouldn't have to be up to the teams to have to police each others cars and draw illegal parts to the attention of the FIA.

[aral]

Red Bull Told To Modify Car Part In Turkey: Yet another element of Red Bull's pace-setting RB6 had to be modified ahead of last weekend's Turkish Grand Prix. After Monaco, it was reported that McLaren had identified a part of the 2010 Red Bull's rear diffuser that did not conform with the regulations and had to be altered in the Principality. Germany's Auto Motor und Sport now reveals that an element of the rear suspension was changed at Istanbul Park last weekend. The report said the elements in question, hidden behind six burly Red Bull mechanics on recent Grand Prix grids, were aerodynamically shaped and at a 20 degree horizontal angle rather than the allowed five. In response, Adrian Newey's design team reportedly shrouded the parts with round tubing in order to nullify the downforce-producing effect.

If true, and it may well not be, then what exactly is the point of the FIA scrutineering? This is exactly the kind of thing they should be ruling on at the first race - or preferably at a session a week or so before, giving the teams a chance to make corrections and get judgements whilst they still have time to make changes. It shouldn't have to be up to the teams to have to police each others cars and draw illegal parts to the attention of the FIA.

But even with the unaerodynamic tubing, the Bulls were still the fastest cars around! But it looks like some of the other teams are clutching at straws.

[djos]

You know Vettel could learn a few things from Mark about diplomacy and team spirit by watching this video:

http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_ ... 2855170930

Not saying Mark can't be diplomatic, but to be fair that could've been written by PR experts

You dont see Vettel doing any public interviews tho do you?

[WhiteBlue]

You dont see Vettel doing any public interviews tho do you?

They better keep him locked up until his anger has cooled down a bit more. When he read the last wisdom from his boss he must have had another blood pressure peak.

It’s the one thing that we’ve always made clear is give each other enough room, if one is alongside, concede and fight back at the next corner.

According to this his move was 100% in line with the team ROE.

[Hangaku]

It’s the one thing that we’ve always made clear is give each other enough room, if one is alongside, concede and fight back at the next corner.

The irony in this very statement is amusing.

"one thing that we've always made clear ..."

"... if one is alongside ..."

If one driver is alongside, then the other driver is ALSO alongside.

/wonders why they crashed

[ISLAMATRON]

Or if 1 driver pulled alongside he already hasnt given enough room

[univex]

You dont see Vettel doing any public interviews tho do you?

They better keep him locked up until his anger has cooled down a bit more. When he read the last wisdom from his boss he must have had another blood pressure peak.

It’s the one thing that we’ve always made clear is give each other enough room, if one is alongside, concede and fight back at the next corner.

According to this his move was 100% in line with the team ROE.

Come on WB, Webber did give him room, it was the very quick jerk to the right that no F1 driver could react quick enough to. Webber did all the hard work leading from the front, and the team expect him to conceed because his team mate has been saving fuel by drafting in everyone elses wake. Webber did the hard work up front because Vettel lost second place to Hamilton and had to rely on his pit crew and a mishap at McLaren to get it back.
If Vettel wants to win, then I suggest he gets pole next time and holds it. Why should Webber concede the lead to his team mate when he has done all the hard work. A good driver should be able to defend his position, I bet Hamilton would never have got past Schumacher.

[Richard]

It’s the one thing that we’ve always made clear is give each other enough room, if one is alongside, concede and fight back at the next corner.

According to this his move was 100% in line with the team ROE.

In the BBC pit lane interview immediately after the race Horner also said that the McLaren drivers gave each other the room that he expected from the RB drivers.

Hamilton/Button only conceded in the braking zone into the corners. Vettel seemed to expect Webber to be a pansy by conceding on the straight.

[myurr]

In the BBC pit lane interview immediately after the race Horner also said that the McLaren drivers gave each other the room that he expected from the RB drivers.

Hamilton/Button only conceded in the braking zone into the corners. Vettel seemed to expect Webber to be a pansy by conceding on the straight.

Couldn't agree more - Button managed to get clean past Hamilton and then moved, noticeably much later down the straight than when Vettel tried to move across on Webber, and then Hamilton had to dive up the inside into turn 1 on the dirty side of the track. There was no question of either driver rolling out the red carpet in the way Horner has since said Webber should have done - they both fought hard but fairly without feeling the need to try and frighten each other off the track.

[Richard]

I think in terms of track position we should actually compare Hamilton's inlap to Vettel's outlap

Vettel
14 1.32.430 in
15 1.48.626 out
16 1.31.937

Hamilton
14 1.32.616
15 1.32.479 in
16 1.51.203 out


Gap progress (Ham-Vet)
14 -2.094
15 -18.241
16 + 1.025

Anyone wanting to examine the lap times can see the full timings here ...

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8168&p=174837#p174837

[Richard]

what exactly is the point of the FIA scrutineering?

The FIA can only do spot checks on the cars, not every single reg, on every car.

You can read what scrutineering took place in the race report. Download it from the thread noted below. Look at the file tur-race-report.pdf

Interesting that I couldn't spot any mention of the stewards asking RB to change the suspension parts.

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8168&p=174837#p174837

[myurr]

what exactly is the point of the FIA scrutineering?

The FIA can only do spot checks on the cars, not every single reg, on every car.

You can read what scrutineering took place in the race report. Download it from the thread noted below. Look at the file tur-race-report.pdf

Interesting that I couldn't spot any mention of the stewards asking RB to change the suspension parts.

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8168&p=174837#p174837

Then maybe it's time they came up with a more technical solution than a few bits of wood and a clip board. How difficult would it be to build a rig that used a laser scanner to map the entire car and then for a computer to double check every measurement to make sure the car conformed to the rules? This could be repeated with the appropriate weights hung from the car to check deflections, etc.

Sure there would still need to be a lot of human measurement but at least the exterior dimensions of the car would be measured perfectly.

[Giblet]

Unequivocal video evidence should be enough, if a team challenges it.