European GP 2010 - Valencia

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i was a little happy to see the finger; it's been a while.
Vettel will run away, he has the f duct now, the tyres are durable and webber says the car is easy to drive fast here.
No reason why redbull wont lock down the next 3 races.

Race will be very interesting between ferrari and Mclaren. More than likely Hamilton will lose out on the pitstop. Ferrari are really good at the pitstops while Mclaren have been pretty slow with Hamilton.

I suspect Button will hold his position or improve a place or 2, not because of nursing tyres, but because of the Mp4-24 speed and a good strategic team behind him.
Other than that he could lose out fighting uncompromising guys like Kubica, Massa, Barichello early out. His race is not going to be easy around this track.
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Hamilton made a mistake though on his quick lap, no reason to think the Red Bulls can run away from on race pace from Hammy.

I also expect Ferrari to be a dark horse, maybe even Massa.
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Does anyone know what tyre Hamilton set his first Q3 time on? was it the medium grade?
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n smikle wrote:Does anyone know what tyre Hamilton set his first Q3 time on? was it the medium grade?
No, he was on the softer tire.

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ringo wrote . . .
Vettel will run away, he has the f duct now, the tyres are durable and webber says the car is easy to drive fast here.
No reason why redbull wont lock down the next 3 races.
No reason except reliability, tire strategy, Hamilton, and (maybe) Alonso.
Race will be very interesting between ferrari and Mclaren. More than likely Hamilton will lose out on the pitstop. Ferrari are really good at the pitstops while Mclaren have been pretty slow with Hamilton.
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I think this race is going to come down to who can manage their tires the best. Maybe not as critical as Canada, but if you can manager your tires well for the first half of the race, that might put you in contention to start reeling in the cars ahead of you.

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Giblet wrote:Hamilton made a mistake though on his quick lap, no reason to think the Red Bulls can run away from on race pace from Hammy.

I also expect Ferrari to be a dark horse, maybe even Massa.
Wasn't Massa faster than Fred in q1, q2, I think Ferrari still have an advantage with the durability of rubber. Earlier in the thread there was a lot of talk about what has gone wrong with Massa's game. He is quite famous for slow starts, and streaks of really good racing and slumps of extended duration . It will be interesting how the options hold up for the first stint. Ferrari seem to have trouble getting the fronts up to temp. I look forward to see the order of the first pit stops. Of all the pilots I have to give credit where credit is do. The Boss appears to be able to conserve his tyres quite well, and a lot better than I thought he would compared to Button. I think this is the first real sign of maturity this Tifosi can't deny.
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To me the Red Bulls (although they have been doing this all season) have inproved in the understanding of rubber wear. which wasn't to my knowledge ever a real issue with them. JMHO
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The writing was on the wall at Canada with what McLaren had to do with Hamilton just to bump a Red Bull off pole - put the softs on and put so little fuel in that he couldn't make it back. All that was on a circuit that should have been firm McLaren territory and where Red Bull had no F-duct. McLaren made an extremely wise and well thought out tyre choice in the end but the performance in qualifying and even the race of the RB was beyond what I expected.

They have more downforce than everyone else and will have for some time based on the catch up other teams are doing, and all they really need is a few kph in straight line speed where they're deficient. Half a second in qualifying at Valencia means that the speed advantage they have has hardly been dented. The next few races look very firm RB territory and there is not a great deal anyone can do about it. Small wonder Alonso was having a daydream at the back of Vettel's car.

All in all, I've seen nothing to suggest that my prediction, and that of Gary Anderson, that many teams' focus on the F-duct wasn't bringing anything tangible when there are obviously far more other fruitful areas of development.

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ah.Hamilton had a moment in his quickest lap in Q3 and abandoned that run.who knows what he had up his sleeve.
But of course when and if does not count ,but ihave he feeling the RBs will not disapear into the distance sunday.

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Since were on the subject of Mercedes demise. I find it just a little more than ironic that Ross Brawn and Mike were singing this same song in 2005 while a Spanish phenom under the tutelage of a very highly despised Italian. Were giving them a very serious beat down! :)
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segedunum wrote:The writing was on the wall at Canada with what McLaren had to do with Hamilton just to bump a Red Bull off pole - put the softs on and put so little fuel in that he couldn't make it back. All that was on a circuit that should have been firm McLaren territory and where Red Bull had no F-duct. McLaren made an extremely wise and well thought out tyre choice in the end but the performance in qualifying and even the race of the RB was beyond what I expected.
People really overplay the benefit he had from not making it back to the pits, quoting things like 0.2 seconds advantage by not carrying a laps worth of fuel. This conveniently overlooks that he actually made it most of the way back round that final lap so in fact was just one straight away from the pits. So even being generous the most he benefitted from would be around 0.05s, and he stuck it on pole by way more than that.

Then in the race the Red Bulls just did not have the pace. Their tyre strategy was clearly wrong, but this cost Webber much more than Vettel who, even before his gearbox issues, just was not going to make much impression on the race. The McLaren's and Alonso had both Red Bulls beaten on pure race pace.
segedunum wrote:They have more downforce than everyone else and will have for some time based on the catch up other teams are doing, and all they really need is a few kph in straight line speed where they're deficient. Half a second in qualifying at Valencia means that the speed advantage they have has hardly been dented. The next few races look very firm RB territory and there is not a great deal anyone can do about it. Small wonder Alonso was having a daydream at the back of Vettel's car.

All in all, I've seen nothing to suggest that my prediction, and that of Gary Anderson, that many teams' focus on the F-duct wasn't bringing anything tangible when there are obviously far more other fruitful areas of development.
You have no idea when the other teams will catch up - until Q3 things were looking very tight but fortunately for Red Bull the others slipped up with scruffy laps.

Red Bull now have their F-duct and it clearly helped their pace on this circuit giving them a slight edge over the McLarens. Just like everyone predicted that this circuit would be a McLaren circuit, the next race is predicted to be Red Bull track but that's not taking into account the upgrades due on the cars.

In Barcelona, supposedly another perfect Red Bull circuit, the bulls dominated qualifying but in the race Hamilton was comfortably the second quickest to Webber. Since then RB have their F-duct and McLaren will have their blown diffuser and appear to have improved their qualifying pace (not to RB's level, but a lot closer). Ferrari will no doubt have revisions in place with their blown exhaust, so I expect them to be closer still to RB as well, as long as Alonso doesn't make another Saturday mistake.

So in Silverstone, barring any unusual incidents or mechanical issues, I predict another RB 1 - 2 in qualifying, albeit only by a couple of tenths, but in the race Hamilton will pressure them the entire way and will either get past both (if the new section really does help overtaking) or splits the RB's on the podium.

But from Hockenheim onwards as McLaren optimise their blown diffuser I believe they'll start occasionally out qualifying the Red Bulls as well as taking race wins off of them. Even at Spa.

Let's see if I'm any better at predictions than you have been!

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The most shocking qualifying session ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:



Why are the mercs struggling so badly??????????????
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Reading the last few pages, at least the ones which cover Saturdays events will give you the answer(s).
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I hope that Vettel can hold the top position through the race. The RB6 is the fastest car around the circuit but it is dreadfully slow in the speed trap and in sector II with the long straight. I'm afraid that Hamilton will be able to jump both Red Bulls on the long back straight.

Seb will not be able to save much tyres there. He will need to push for a gap if the start goes right for him. Hopefully Webber can give him a breather while Hamilton deals with him.
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