European GP 2010 - Valencia

[jason.parker.86]

Come on now, it's only 12 points which could switch if Vettel has a single DNF. Do you think that McLaren should stop supporting Button, Mercedes should stop supporting Schumacher, etc.?

The championship is still wide open and all drivers with a mathematical chance of winning still deserve the full support of their teams.

I think Red Bull are only hurting their own chances giving both drivers equal chances to win? If they put all eggs into one basket they would have Vettel leading WDC because Webber would not have bashed him off the track.

McLaren's normal policy is who ever is leading race after first stop is a done deal, or at least that was the impression I got!

Redbull deserve to win this years WDC, as much as McLaren but letting Webber race vettel is getting silly. Webber is not a very good racing driver IMO, it is well known in the paddock that he is mentally not very well, and very unstable.

At the same time, Hamilton is a crazy on the race track, and his move on Vettel at the start of the first lap was very optimistic, and his "bully boy" tactics remind me of Montoya in his Wiliams days!

However; I think the sport is certainly getting more interesting!

[Giblet]

With a car as 'reliable' as the RB6, putting all your eggs in one basket might not be the best way to hedge a bet.

[komninosm]

Q. (Stephane Barbé – L'Equipe) Can you comment a little bit on this penalty with the safety car? Did you see the car coming out of the pits? Did you hesitate to overtake it?

LH: No, when I came down the straight, I was accelerating, I didn't see the safety car coming out and then as I came round turn one, we know that obviously the safety car was out but I was able to push until the safety car two line, I think, and at that point I saw the safety car alongside me and I thought I was passed, so when I noticed it, he was already behind and so I continued.

Now he's lying. In the replay you can clearly see him slow down immdeiately and then take off and pass the SC.

There has been a lot of discussion about LH & the SC. It is this post where LH really does appear to be lying that started it but it seems some posters here have not read it as it is from many pages ago. Clearly he hesitates yet he says I was able to push until the safety car.
For the record: I am wanting LH to win the championship but now have reservations.

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About the 5 second penalty. The 10 second penalty applies to a stop go penalty (the rule was quoted earlier). The time addition penalty seems to be entirely at the stewards discretion (I have not read the regulations for it).

Maybe you should go and read the regulations then instead of making things up? Your post is totally wrong.

[mr moda]

The Webber incident means that Red Bull will have better chances now with Vettel and Webber brought it all on himself. He ruined Kovalainen's race with that stunt, but I'm very glad he was unhurt in that spectacular back flip.

Why WB? What pearls of wisdom bring you to this statement.

Vettel leads Webber in the points table and still gets better odds from the bookies. Better odds means better chances. Besides Webber will have to do the catching up now. In Valencia Vettel was the faster driver. I expect that to be the case in England as well.

Hmmmm.
Down at RBR they take a look at the local bookies odds.
With this they decide to put millions upon millions behind Vettel to win.
All this due to the bookies.

[Giblet]

Webbers take on the accident after a day to process.

"The telemetry showed that he braked 80 meters earlier for that corner than I had on the previous lap, so it was completely unexpected."

[marcush.]

Webbers take on the accident after a day to process.

"The telemetry showed that he braked 80 meters earlier for that corner than I had on the previous lap, so it was completely unexpected."

sure a exceptional driver adjusts his attitude for the overtaking case he´s going to approach..this statement is really a sign of a non thinking ,static approach entering the fight with Kovalainen ...had he gone offline and braked 80 m later..he would have had time to go back on the racing line before the apex with no time loss..
what did he seek in a Slipstream of a lotus?

[Donuts]

To everyone that commentet on my post:

You guys have to be kidding me? I just said that Button was lucky(if you pass another car in the pitstop beacuse they have the tyres for the other car out)? What's wrong with that(with the exception to Monaco)? I'm not saying he is the worst driver in the world.

How can this(Hamilton cheating) be so upseting? Why is everyone taking things so personal? Do you guys really think you are Lewis Hamilton?;) First off all I've never said that he slowed Fernando Alonso down. Pardon my english, maybe the word cheating is not the right one? If you see a SC and the SC warning is out, how on earth do you reason? Sure, let's pass it and risk the lives of others(and my own), or, slow down and get behind it, even if I think I could almost pass it. Really! You have to be kidding me!

Somebody also tries to say I'm not posting anything creative? Just look at your own posts, do you call that creative? At least I'm not attacking anyone with comments refering to your intelligence.

I like the technical aspect, but I don't like speculating in what I don't know, so I only post things that sound reasonable. I follow the R30 thread, that's a creative thread. This thread is about opinions and there's nothing creative about it, with some exceptions.

Just beacuse my username is Robert Kubica does'nt mean I'm "putting him on a pedistal". Sure, he is my favorite driver and I think Renault is doing a good job, but it would be ridiculous of me to defend him like you defend Lewis Hamilton. If someone says Robert Kubica only has one victory and it's beacuse he was lucky, I totally agree! It would be ridiculous of me to argue something else.

[Donuts]

Anyone, on which lap did Fernando Alonso receive his drive-thru penalty for the false start in China?

[Shaddock]

Anyone, on which lap did Fernando Alonso receive his drive-thru penalty for the false start in China?

'Jump Starts' flag up on the Race Control computer as soon as they happen via the cars transponder and a receiver in the track.

[feynman]

Returning to our supposed theme of F1Technical ... Does anyone here have an idea where the timing transponders are actually located on both an F1 car and the current safety car?

Was interested to read that part of the delay was race-control trying to establish that for themselves.

Depending on where they are sited, it might have been even closer than the metre and a half shown above, can you imagine poor ol Alonso's tattered equilibrium if Hamilton had his nose behind the front of the SC, and still got away with it because of transponder relative position.

[Giblet]

20.4 Transponders:
All cars must be fitted with a timing transponder supplied by the officially appointed timekeepers. This transponder must be fitted in strict accordance with the instructions detailed in the Appendix to these regulations.

Now I'm just trying to fin the Appendix.

[mangesh]

Mark Webber wrote:
"The telemetry showed that he braked 80 meters earlier for that corner than I had on the previous lap, so it was completely unexpected."

Weber's car camera view clearly shows kovalainen breaking early, so this is not the right reason

[myurr]

Anyone, on which lap did Fernando Alonso receive his drive-thru penalty for the false start in China?

'Jump Starts' flag up on the Race Control computer as soon as they happen via the cars transponder and a receiver in the track.

Even then it took them 5 laps (at safety car speed) to issue the penalty. And this is for a clear cut jump start where the electronics tell them instantly that he was in the wrong.

[Giblet]

Mark Webber wrote:
"The telemetry showed that he braked 80 meters earlier for that corner than I had on the previous lap, so it was completely unexpected."

Weber's car camera view clearly shows kovalainen breaking early, so this is not the right reason

Are you simultaneously agreeing and disagreeing with that statement in one sentence?

[aral]

Mark Webber wrote:
"The telemetry showed that he braked 80 meters earlier for that corner than I had on the previous lap, so it was completely unexpected."

Weber's car camera view clearly shows kovalainen breaking early, so this is not the right reason

The camera shows Kovi braking, but who can say that Webber did not brake late? In fact, it has been reported that telemetry shows that Kovi braked at the same point on the previous lap. Ther is no stewards enquiry, so they must be satisfied that it was a racing accident!