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dumrick
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There was also a lot of passion at Pacific, for instance. And competence. However, that never made them anything like a reasonable F1 team.
By the way, some time ago, I was reading about the attempts of Dome to make F1 and one of the reasons they never did it was because they wanted to test a car for a full year before racing it and were pressured to do it one year before scheduled. That's professional. I would rather have in F1 such a reputed company with such knowledge and racing experience than a mock-up Honda backed effort to not loose sales in Japan that I can't see able to produce their own chassis (giving for granted that the SA06 will be some BAR in disguise, like the Toro Rosso is for Red Bull).

So, I hope I get at least a few laughs from it.
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Scuderia_Russ
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dumrick wrote:There was also a lot of passion at Pacific, for instance. And competence.
The '94 Pacific is one of the best looking cars I've seen in the last few years.
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vyselegend
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What about their third driver? (if they can afford a third car...)
A rumor just spread that former Renault test driver Frank Montagny is in negociation with the SA team. But didn't Aguri san say he want a 100% japanese team?...
please forgive if I make english mistakes...
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bernard
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mcdenife wrote:In Bahrain, STR will be using an modified RB1. So why is SA not allowed to use a modifed BAR007?
In bahrain STR will most likely get inspected by FIA by the request of several teams.
But just like the BAR fuel scandal, they can't do --- until STR arrives at the track in Bahrain. Testing is testing. STR could test with the R26 or the Mp4-21 if they got their hands on them. :wink:
But several sources have said that teams will protest come Bahrain. And I think the V10 handicap amount will most likely get protested before the season starts, seeing that the v10 is at the upper end of the power scale, and with theoretically bigger reliability thanks to lower revs.
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Becker4
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heres the official line about str legality . . . .

http://www.planetf1.com/news/story_22112.shtml

i wonder why, if the FIA wanted SA in F1 so badly, they didnt pull the same kind of legal wrangling to get aguria permission to use honda's car? red bull is signed up to the new concord, and honda isnt . . . .
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mcdenife
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In law they say, if cant convince them confuse them and that appears to be what Max is doing fudging.
The fact of the matter is that red bull bought the company Jaguar racing and renamed it red bull. so infact red bull (nee jaguar racing) did design and build those cars. According to current regs, racing teams build their own cars? Even if they contract this out (a la jordan) it was still built by jordan and they own the IPR. Red Bull own the IPR of the RB1 and cannot therefore transfer that to another team.
According to Max
"The thing you can't do is, if you're Williams you can't run a McLaren front wing. But both Williams and McLaren could run a Lola front wing.
But what he implied is that if Mclaren had a third party build their front wing then its ok for Williams to use it.
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zac510
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For all we know STR could have made entirely new tubs (to the RBR1 design) in the Faenza factory which would be perfectly legal. They manufactured them - they are a constructor!

Perhaps Super Aguri don't have the resources to mould their own chassis. Perhaps Honda don't even want to give them their chassis designs!

To many maybes and understandably the teams don't want to clear them up :)
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mcdenife
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The point is i is legal for them to use it (RB1), new tub or not. And wether Honda want to give SA chassis design or available resources or not, SA is not allowed to use it.
Long experience has taught me this about the status of mankind with regards to matters requiring thought. The less people know and understand about them, the more positively they attempt to argue concerning them; while on the other hand, to know and understand a multitude of things renders men cautious in passing judgement upon anything new. - Galileo..

The noblest of dogs is the hot dog. It feeds the hand that bites it.
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zac510
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The way I interpret it is that there is a difference between giving (or selling) another constructor your designs and simply giving (or selling) them a whole tub. In my interpretation the former is legal while the latter is not.

If STR got the RBR1 design and modified it to remove its weaknesses then built a brand new chassis and all new body panels of the modified design, it is not still an RBR1 is it? It is a chassis built by STR and thus is legal.
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mcdenife
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Fair point. Though I cannot say either way about the legal issue with regards to that type of modification. What I take issue with is Max's explanation which had nothing to with modifications but rather that it was designed/build by a third party.
Long experience has taught me this about the status of mankind with regards to matters requiring thought. The less people know and understand about them, the more positively they attempt to argue concerning them; while on the other hand, to know and understand a multitude of things renders men cautious in passing judgement upon anything new. - Galileo..

The noblest of dogs is the hot dog. It feeds the hand that bites it.
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zac510
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Yeah neither of us are in a position to make a definitive judgement on the rules :(
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mcdenife
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True. But we can certainly make a judgment on his statements/comments or interpretation of the rules especially when there appears to be a contradiction :?
Long experience has taught me this about the status of mankind with regards to matters requiring thought. The less people know and understand about them, the more positively they attempt to argue concerning them; while on the other hand, to know and understand a multitude of things renders men cautious in passing judgement upon anything new. - Galileo..

The noblest of dogs is the hot dog. It feeds the hand that bites it.
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mcdenife
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Actually scratch contradition. read fudge :)
Long experience has taught me this about the status of mankind with regards to matters requiring thought. The less people know and understand about them, the more positively they attempt to argue concerning them; while on the other hand, to know and understand a multitude of things renders men cautious in passing judgement upon anything new. - Galileo..

The noblest of dogs is the hot dog. It feeds the hand that bites it.
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Principessa
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And another white race livery on track, with a little bit of red.....It will be hard for the fans to recognize the cars....although...the slowest are the Super Aguri cars :P So they will be easy to recognize! :P

http://www.f1technical.net/news/1936
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joseff
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Now with '06 aero kit:

http://www.f1racing.net/en/photolarge.p ... catID=1913
Looks like the same wing just shifted upwards. Man, these guys will make the Minardi PS05's look quick!

PS: It's 1:24AM and I'm staying up for Steve Jobs' keynote. Anybody else?
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