Hungarian GP 2010 - Hungaroring

[segedunum]

I still think that Rubens was also driving dangerously...

WTF?

[andrew]

Well that was an unusual race!

Unrealistic penalties for Vettel and Kubica and Barrichello moaning that he had to race.

Bit unfair that Kubica got a drive through for th teams mistake. It was only a matter of time until an accident like that happened but thankfully no one was hurt.

Vettel's penalty was bizzare. Sure he was pretty far back but I would have to agree with Antony Davidson's comments that it was not dangerous. By the same token I guess someone vould argue that Webber was too close to the safety car?

As for Barrichello, I really think the time has come for him to hang up his helmet as he is really getting to be the grumpy old man of the paddock. There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Schumacher did. He made one move to the left towards the pit to defend his line which is allowed. Barrichello chose to go to the left when he should hsave really gone to the right. He allowed himself to be squeezed by putting his car in a dangerous position.

As for WhiteBlue's question about the circuit length, nothing wrong with it. Maybe widen it in places to encourage passing but the length is fine. Actually, it's quite a nice wee track.

[WhiteBlue]

situation is evolving



Rubens closing, Michael holding his line.



closing



Rubens sticks out to the right



Rubens makes a final decision not to back off. He is pointed into a wedge off the track against the wall before his front wheels pass Michael's rear wheels. This is the point where I say that Rubens contributed to the dangerous situation.



Michael did not move. He kept his line as we see from the front pictures. He should have given more room here because Rubens is about to go off track completely.



Here Rubens is almost completely off track which Michael should have avoided by changing his line earlier. This is too dangerous!



The outcome is Rubens completely off track but with enough momentum to pass.

[Steven]

@WB... Rubens had nothing to do with the dangerousity of that incident. The rules are clear in that they allow only one move of line. Schumacher first went to the middle of the track, then straight and then moved more to the right to squeeze Barrichello.

Just imagine if someone would come out from the pitstop right at that time. It's irresponsible and deserves a serious fine, or even DQ from the race. Michael should know by now how to behave on a track, and apparently he doesn't. Sad

[rei]

Rubens closing, Michael holding his line.

he is holding waiting until rubens on his right side, preparing to slam him to wall..

[ringo]

Shumacher's car has some roll here. He decided to sqeeze Barichello, i don't see how WB justifies this craziness.
So what if Shumacher was on his line? The fact that Barichello managed to sqeeze his car there means that shumacher lost the battle. The humane thing to do is accept that if i keep on this line (a line not even aimed at the turn but aimed at terminating in the concrete wall) rubens is going to get seriously hurt.



This^ is madness. That had nothing to do with shumacher defending a line into the turn.



track troll lost the battle right here. He should have went no further. The fight was over.

[WhiteBlue]

The rules are clear in that they allow only one move of line. Schumacher first went to the middle of the track, then straight and then moved more to the right to squeeze Barrichello.

The pictures I posted show almost certainly that you are not telling the situation correctly. The footage available does not show one complete shot from the corner to the incident but we see that the cars follow each other without directional changes that are perceptible.

When the shot changes to Ruben's air box camera we can see that Schumacher already has a line that cuts Rubens off the right inside line. When Rubens sticks it in there he has no way to avoid the wall in a straight line. What do you call such an overtaking decision?

Rubens muscled his way through there IMO but it isn't an excuse for driving him completely off the track as I have said. Michael was punished rightly but Rubens got away with causing the dangerous situation in the first place.

[747heavy]

If Schumacher had been really out to harm/kill Rubens, he would have just keeped his line
and let RB run onto the grass at the end of the pitlane exit.
But he did not, he has given him room, and he made his pass.
I can´t see what all the fuss is about.

Sure it was a very hard defense, no doubt, but it takes two to tango.
If you choose a line which put´s you in between at car and a wall, don´t be too surprised if the other guy makes life hard for you. (especially if you try this against MS)
That was a very brave move from RB, and I take my hat off to him, for keeping his nerv and pulling it off - well done RB!!

But I don´t think, that it was an overly unfair or dirty move from MS.
RB pulled it off, and he got his P10 and rightly so, all credit to him for it, but the penality and the bitching afterwards, is a bit over the top. IMO

We have seen this things before and we will see them again.
If you pull this move and don´t expect the other guy to come over, you are dreaming IMO.
From all people in the world RB would have anticipated that move when tried against MS, come on get real, it should not come as a surpise for anyone.
He (RB) decided to go there, and that´s his choice, but don´t expect the guy in front to wave you through.

The FIA has decided now, and thats fine with me, but again they apply there rules a bit inconsistent at times. For now they have drawn a line, let´s see what happens next time.

[Giblet]

Whatever happened to gentleman racers?

That was utter BS by Schumi. Pushing things too far, and being far too dangerous. Legal or not doesn't enter into it IMO, disrespectful, dangerous, and unsportsmanlike.

[ringo]

i think the penalty was based on an accumalation of moves like these from Shumacher.

Canada had a couple of them, then this. He did this more than 3 times this year, the stewards had to act on his wildness.

I like these kind of things, they make the sport more exciting, but i agree with the stewards.

[WhiteBlue]

Agree to 747 heavy, I would have expected a reprimand to Rubens for creating that trap for himself in the first place.

[segedunum]

WB, ...

A final decision not to back off?!!

[Pandamasque]

The guys trying to justify that move must be just trolling.

[andrew]

I don't get it. Everyone complains at the lack of racing and overtaking and when the finally see some hairy arsed, balls out racing they can't stop complaining.

I really hope that Barrichello gets some sort of reprimand as what he did was ridiculous. There was next to no space to the right, but bags of space on the left yet he goes to the right where there is next to no space? Rookie error.

[timbo]

track troll lost the battle right here. He should have went no further. The fight was over.

For once I agree with this.