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Nico Hulkenberg has also been given a 20-second penalty by the stewards for gaining an advantage in turn 7 in the first lap of the Singapore GP. This drops the Williams driver one spot, moving Felipe Massa up to 8th.
Agreed. They are paid to race, and that's what they did. Neither driver was going to concede their position, and thye wouldn't be expected to. Racing incident, move on... (And FYI, I'm a Hamilton fan).andrew wrote:Why is everyone so hung up on placing blame? 2 drivers racing for the same piece of tarmac is never going to have a happy outcome for either driver. It was just one of those things.
Actually Hamilton was hit by Webber right on the apex as videos show. So it was Webber who took a bad racing line and moved to make the apex and found something was already there, namely Hamilton's rear tire.segedunum wrote:Hmmmmm, no. Hamilton never made the apex at all. He moved to make the apex and found something was already there, namely Webber.Just_a_fan wrote:Actually, if you look carefully, Hamilton is moving away from the apex at the point of contact. In effect he has made the corner and is starting the exit phase. The position is his.
Why are you so hung up on not placing blame? 2 drivers often race for the same piece of tarmac and there is a happy outcome for one, so your "never" is wrong. Otherwise races would end with much fewer cars crossing the finish line. Drivers do play it safe when they lost a position. Drivers do avoid ramming the car infront like Webber/Schumi, look at Sutil who was ahead of Kubica even (at turn entry). As someone already said previously, it's interesting how some people can claim certain drivers went for a gap that wasn't there and cast blame in one instance and then pretend to be hollier than though in the next, as it suits them.andrew wrote:Why is everyone so hung up on placing blame? 2 drivers racing for the same piece of tarmac is never going to have a happy outcome for either driver. It was just one of those things.
I'm hung up on facts. Not wishful thinking.komninosm wrote:Why are you so hung up on not placing blame? 2 drivers often race for the same piece of tarmac and there is a happy outcome for one, so your "never" is wrong. Otherwise races would end with much fewer cars crossing the finish line. Drivers do play it safe when they lost a position. Drivers do avoid ramming the car infront like Webber/Schumi, look at Sutil who was ahead of Kubica even (at turn entry). As someone already said previously, it's interesting how some people can claim certain drivers went for a gap that wasn't there and cast blame in one instance and then pretend to be hollier than though in the next, as it suits them.andrew wrote:Why is everyone so hung up on placing blame? 2 drivers racing for the same piece of tarmac is never going to have a happy outcome for either driver. It was just one of those things.
In what way is Webber on the clean part of the track? Hamilton is clearly on the rubbered in part that allows better braking. I'm not sure what you mean.one_o_six wrote:I think Webber did the same he did in Istambul, occupy the clean tarmac zone at all cost, in order to force the other driver (Hamilton in Singapore, Vettel in Turkey) to cross the dirty area.
Cleaver move? No doubt. Fair move? Well... Ask Helmut Marko,for example.
Had Hamilton let him go, and perhaps Webber would not have finished the curb, due too much entry speed. OTOH, Hamilton was a little optimistic, as in Monza. I suspect he did not remember to check Webber's position again, after passing in on the straight line.
Other than that, the actual crash was very similar to the one between Hamilton and Massa, in Monza, but with Hamilton playing reverse roles, ironically with the same result. Should one blame the car's fragility?
When was the last time you saw Nando or Lewis give up without a hell of a fight?raymondu999 wrote:Mark is a fighter... and we can't deny that. He will always grit his teeth and fight to the very end. While that can be an admirable, determined quality sometimes, there are times when it comes off as a stubborn defense.
When was the last time you saw Nando or Lewis take out another driver?djos wrote:When was the last time you saw Nando or Lewis give up without a hell of a fight?raymondu999 wrote:Mark is a fighter... and we can't deny that. He will always grit his teeth and fight to the very end. While that can be an admirable, determined quality sometimes, there are times when it comes off as a stubborn defense.
When did I say that Mark was the only driver who did that? However, having said that, how about when Kobayashi went past Alonso in Valencia?djos wrote:When was the last time you saw Nando or Lewis give up without a hell of a fight?raymondu999 wrote:Mark is a fighter... and we can't deny that. He will always grit his teeth and fight to the very end. While that can be an admirable, determined quality sometimes, there are times when it comes off as a stubborn defense.