Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

[HampusA]

Schumacher did not have a mercedes back then, he had a Ferrari which did everything he asked for.
He just needs time to get the car more suited to him aswell as him needing to re-design his driving style abit and meet halfway.
He had massive problems in some corners with the car, did not seem very enjoyable.
According to the telemtry he has the same reflexes as Rosberg according to Brawn.
This was from last year and the thing he was worse at was low speed grip.

[beelsebob]

The new hard compound is getting a beating from the drivers. Lewis, Alonso, Button, Webber and more have all said the tire is just to slow. The difference between a fresh set of options and the new hards isalmost 2.5 seconds! Though Pirelli defends it by saying they will degarde much slower than the softs. They're even saying a 2 stopper is reasonable for the race, compared to what they expected on the previous hard compund (4 stops as in Turkey).

For a two stopper you'd be looking at doing 16 laps on softs and then 25 lapsish each on hards.
That, or 16 laps each on softs, and 34 on hards. Both of these race plans are being rather favourable to the soft tyres.

Compared to a 3 stopper, we'd be looking at 16 laps each on softs and then 18 on hards.

So in option 1, you're looking at 32 laps more on the hards, in option 2 you're looking at 16 more on hards. At 2 seconds a lap loss, that's 64 or 32 seconds lost, which is more than enough for a pit stop.

To me that doesn't look viable as a strategy at all.

[MikeFromCanada]

For a two stopper you'd be looking at doing 16 laps on softs and then 25 lapsish each on hards.
That, or 16 laps each on softs, and 34 on hards. Both of these race plans are being rather favourable to the soft tyres.

Compared to a 3 stopper, we'd be looking at 16 laps each on softs and then 18 on hards.

So in option 1, you're looking at 32 laps more on the hards, in option 2 you're looking at 16 more on hards. At 2 seconds a lap loss, that's 64 or 32 seconds lost, which is more than enough for a pit stop.

To me that doesn't look viable as a strategy at all.

Agreed, though Pirelli does seem very optimistic on the longevity of the hard compound. They claim to have data from some teams saying very long runs are possible. Though I am with you and feel that a 3 stopper is ideal, or else you'll be really running the tyres down to the wheels.

"Degradation is one tenth – I have seen a 20 laps analysis from one team and it was less than one tenth."

[Mr Alcatraz]

Where were the marbles? I didn't see any, a stark contrast to Turkey.
I thought we would see some off the options at least.

[HampusA]

It will come in the race for sure

[godlameroso]

I would use the hards for the first stop, push as hard and as fast as I can then blow everyone away with softs with 12 laps to go

[marcush.]

People are talking schumacher into retirement because he used to string together the perfect laps every time, just like vettel does now.

No he didn´t .He was never ever the qualy king like Senna ,his strength was surely always the race .He also had slips in almost all of his races but back then he somehow got away with it.

[Gaara]

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[PlatinumZealot]

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Agreed, though Pirelli does seem very optimistic on the longevity of the hard compound. They claim to have data from some teams saying very long runs are possible. Though I am with you and feel that a 3 stopper is ideal, or else you'll be really running the tyres down to the wheels.

"Degradation is one tenth – I have seen a 20 laps analysis from one team and it was less than one tenth."

And the softs are 0.3 gain a lap right?

The softs are 2 seconds faster than these new hards on the first lap..so the cross over point is:

Time added to original lap Time of the driver on the hards
0.1second per lap * X laps = -2 seconds+0.3 seconds per lap *xlaps
x laps = (2seconds/0.2 seconds per lap)

Cross over point for lap times to equalise = 10 laps.

So after 10 laps the driver hards will be gaining at 0.2 seconds a lap to the driver on the softs but the driver on the softs will already be 11 seconds ahead. The guy on the hards would only be able to pass the driver on the softs after 20 laps have passed.

This is assuming the dropoff is always linear and the guy on the soft is not over the cliff and does not pit. So the guy on the hards can come closer and can pass... he just needs to maximise the hard tyres for at least 20laps...of course the guy on softs pits and put on anoter set of softs things will be very different..

[myoozikk]

Slightly random question. I hope someone can pm me a solution. I'm traveling to Moscow for business today & back tomorrow & I've managed to be flying during both quali & the race. If inwas at home or in the uk I'd use the iplayer or sky+

Are there any streams or anything like that that aren't restricted by territory & available to watch after the event (not live)

If anyone has a solution they can pm me I'd be so grateful. If not I'll be watching it on the F1 2011 app & 5live works internationally on the iplayer I think, but not 100% ideal.

Thanks.

[kalinka]

Usually only few hours after the race there are plenty of torrents out there you can use , and usually they are quite fast because of the high number of the seeds, but it can drop off quite fast.

[Undead_Mud]

@myozikk

There is a streaming program called Zattoo, that offers a free 30day test of their recording service. They record every program of this 30days on their servers and you can stream it after your trip. It is a Swiss spinoff company, but they offer a lot of stations in the meantime. BBC among them for F1. I usually watch F1 there, because I can't stand the Vettel centred German program, that does advertising breaks during the race^^.

Cheers
Undead

Edit: Sorry! I just found out the recording service is only available in Switzerland. Maybe it works with a Swiss Proxy though.

[kalinka]

PM me if you want to watch FP3. I have a BBC stream.

[beelsebob]

PM me if you want to watch FP3. I have a BBC stream.

Because people are incapable of visiting the BBC website?

[kalinka]

Text commentary is not live video stream, and yes the video unfortunatley doesnt work here around east europe at least, and BBC is very rare on cable operators list too. Remember, it's east-europe