Canadian GP 2011 - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve

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n smikle wrote:Four letters... P R B S

He might seem all chummy in from the cameras, but you are Gonna see Hamilton more aggressive with Jenson from now on.
Hamilton isn't that dumb – every other time he and Button have fought he's come out on top by racing cleanly. I don't think he'll change anything about it.

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I hope if we see something similar in the future, it's just passed off as a "driver not seeing".
Check it out at 2:10. Monza 2008, Hamilton vs Glock. It passed off as a "driver not seeing".
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDlLOrDZlyM[/youtube]

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what a double standard, the concrete wall .....
Oh wait. :)

keep in mind, that there has to be an accident, there was none here.

I'm not one to bawl for penalties. If the race was in progress then yes, but now that it is finished, no problem. It just the double standards in the sport.

5 hours to decide a penalty is a very politically motivated and subjective decision.
*Emerson, cough cough*
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... All I'm saying is that it's actually possible for drivers not to see someone behind them through the mirror in those conditions.
5 hours to decide a penalty is a very politically motivated and subjective decision.
Alright, you've been making stupid assumptions ever since the race was over. First saying that Jenson wanted to scare Lewis and now the decision was politically motivated?

What the hell is next? Wait, let me guess... The Illuminati were behind the whole Canadian GP decisions? I mean, Jesus Christ man... You even call yourself a McLaren fan? Shame on you.

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Well jenson was using his mirrors.

That cannot be denied. You can't be fixated on a mirror if nothing is in it.

I'll let it slide like Turkey 2010, when he lied about the team radio.

The positives are that Hamilton will realize that DRS makes it simpler, and knowing that Ali G's law is constant, just pass in the DRS and wait for the race to settle from now on.
Don't do anything else.
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What a great race. Validation for Button after the red flag game changer at Monaco. Great comebacks for both he and Webber. Hamilton has really been in a fog these past few races, wonder what's going on off track.

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The Stewards have reviewed the Incident involving Car 3 (L. Hamilton) and Car 4 (J. Button) on their 7th
lap of the race. The Stewards reviewed the lines of several cars, including the two cars involved, using
multiple angles of video evidence over several laps, the speed traces of both drivers, the GPS tracking
data from the cars and have heard the drivers and team representatives.
The Stewards concluded that:
1)   Exiting Turn 13 there was a legitimate overtaking opportunity for Lewis Hamilton as his speed was 
greater than Jensen Button's.
2)   Both drivers took lines substantially similar to many of the other drivers, and did not move as far to 
the left as the preceding driver, Michael Schumacher. At the moment after Hamilton moved to the left to
pass, Button looked into his mirror. It appears from the position of Hamilton at that moment [and is confirmed by the drivers] that Button was unlikely to have seen Hamilton
3)   At the point of contact Button had not yet moved as far to the left of the track as he had on the 
previous lap, or that Schumacher had on that lap. 
The Stewards have concluded that it was reasonable for Hamilton to believe that Button would have
seen him and that he could have made the passing manoeuvre. Further, the Stewards have concluded
that it is reasonable to believe that Button was not aware of Hamilton’s position to his left.
Therefore, the Stewards decide that this was a “racing incident” and have taken no further action
I don't get how you can look into your mirror and not see the other car, but i guess Hamilton took one for the team when he talked to the stewards.
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Face it, part of very F1 driver's skill set is to understand the current political situation and use it to his own benefit. Button knew exactly what he was doing and how the chips would fall when push came to shove with the stewards.

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VARIABLE wet track conditions... is this the true formula for an exciting race?

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Looks like Emo and his pals made the right decision.

Button defended legally and Hamilton went for a shrinking gap. Simple as that.

On one hand I would have liked Button to get a penalty, purely because that might give Vettel the win. However, common sense has prevailed and the matter is concluded.

His clash with Button has been settled, but his dance with Webber was just plain old stupid. Sure Webber played a part but it was only a cameo. As Niki Lauda says, he needs to calm his aggression as it is completely over the top.

It’ll be interesting to see what, if anything, the FIA does especially after letting him off the hook after Monaco. I dare say an apology will be issued to Button and Webber over Twitter.

And about the whole if the drivers were the other way round stuff. Seriously?!

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Hi all,
I was at the GP today and i must say i really liked the week-end but:
i dunno what's wrong this year, i mean does F1 not want to do racing in the rain anymore?
I have been to every Montreal GP in the last 20 years and it's the first time the race is red flagged. The problem i have is with the amount of rain there was: it was next to nothing, previously they would have raced through it all without breaking a sweat, now they see a rain drop and it's alarm time.
I've been racing a shifter kart for years and i wouldn't have thinked to stopped if i had been on a track with rain like that.
Anyone here feels like me that they should be allowed to race in the rain like they did before?

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As Niki Lauda says, he needs to calm his aggression as it is completely over the top.
As much as I hate to say it, yes, he's definitely been more aggressive than usual lately. And that's been a little bit over-aggressive. Probably because he can feel the championship slipping away. But then again if he keeps making the same mistake every single race it's not going to get any better. He should definitely learn to be a bit more patient and wait for a real overtaking opportunity instead of going for a gap that's practically not there at all..

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I guess its easier for him to feel frustrated now, as they are not that far off on pace but they are just not delivering the wins. Whereas before when their car was clearly not on pace he was just driving more sensibly to get what he can.....

Needs to be reined in....be it as with the team or with rule punishment...

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Dude makes one tiny mistake, finishes second after a fantastic drive and everyone throws him under the bus. :roll: This place is out of control. Between the 'Lewis can do no wrong' crowd (by far the worst people allowed on this forum) and those that condemn a driver for a single mistake after 5 wins in 7 races, and 6 poles from 7 races, it's getting knee deep around these parts. You people are nuts around here. Do none of you look at the bigger picture before the words hit the keyboard? :shock: I mean seriously, you guys are crazy judgemental.

From my seat, I'd love to have made a tiny mistake and finished second in the Canadian GP. 99% of us on this forum couldn't even come close to 150% of the times these guys do and almost all of you are calling Vettel unable to race for a win. I've said he's not good under pressure a long time ago and I think he's pretty damn good at it now. For cripes sake he was maybe a foot off line, it's not like he slammed into a wall and didn't finish. Jesus.
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ringo wrote:You can't swear for anybody. He's just as ruthless as any of the other drivers.

His intention was to frighten lewis and he over did it. Vettel always does it at the start.
Button is not the greatest defender, so he balked this one.

Clearly aggression. The front view of the accident is even more damning.
Forget for a moment this is button in the car. Take it for what it is.

There were two moves. His first line was coming to the left at a rate that would keep him on the racing line where the grid slots are.
His second move was the swipe that clapped Hamilton.
His third move was to get back on the racing line.

We can look on all the drivers passing down the straight, they don't drive like this.

If Lewis himself is okay with it why are you and many other continuing to bleat on and on and on and on and on about it? Get over it, what's done is done.