Fernando Alonso has confirmed that Ferrari's pace in qualifying was not just luck. The Spaniard dominated everybody in two blistering stints in the second half of the race. Sebastian Vettel ended second, just ahead of Mark Webber.
Tomba wrote:Oh and for those banging on about Webber losing a place due to team orders, Mark Webber said after the race he ignored the team as he is not fine with team orders: "I kept battling to the end".
I concede that the botched up pitstop robbed him of what looked like another easy win, but I'm still waiting for your explanation of how Vettel could not overtake Hamilton on track when he clearly had a faster car.
As Horner said, Vettel had a KERS issue mid-race. That could well have been in that region of laps. I also believe the McLaren KERS is still better than anybody else's, and at the old pitstraight I think KERS was the only way to get along any car (see Hamilton and Schumacher's passes there, both using all KERS power they had available at that time).
Traction wrote:
Given a few more laps he certainly would of...he was all over Hamilton.... ...even Massachusetts was all over him till he got bumped off....
Indeed he was all over Hamilton, yet it took him 8 laps or so to overtake him, great driver you got, only good when everything goes perfect and he comes first thorought the corner.
Ow yes, he also became second because he needed a team order to keep Webber behind...
Tomba wrote:Oh and for those banging on about Webber losing a place due to team orders, Mark Webber said after the race he ignored the team as he is not fine with team orders: "I kept battling to the end".
Conslusion: he was not quick enough.
Is this a dictatorship now where only the admin can have an opinion? Half the world thought the same thing that I thought. 2010 Webber embarassed Red Bull in Silverstone by his "Not bad for a #2" comment. In 2011 Horner told him "Mark, you need to maintain the gap". I don't believe that the two radio calls are totally unrelated. Millions of Sky viewers heared the commentators joking about this "Coincidence".
I think it speaks volumes that Webber did not talk back in the press conference. I think he realizes that he would not have a chance to get Massa's seat at Ferrari and needs to play his role at Red Bull in order to sit in a competitive car next season.
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best ..............................organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)
All in all, deserved win for Ferrari.
Unfortunately, really frightening management by McLaren, to the extent that they were among the main protesters of the OTB diffuser ban, and they basicly cut the bollocks themself handing ferrari a relevant advantage, let alone the horrible track management yesterday and today. Off throttle blowing would have had to reduce the consumption, wouldn't? And still they managed to remember the worst Colin CHapman on his home soil. Time for some head to roll off, maybe?
RedBull can pass this:They are by far the chipleaders, after all.
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere" Anthony Bruce Colin Chapman
zeph wrote:
I concede that the botched up pitstop robbed him of what looked like another easy win, but I'm still waiting for your explanation of how Vettel could not overtake Hamilton on track when he clearly had a faster car.
As Horner said, Vettel had a KERS issue mid-race. That could well have been in that region of laps. I also believe the McLaren KERS is still better than anybody else's, and at the old pitstraight I think KERS was the only way to get along any car (see Hamilton and Schumacher's passes there, both using all KERS power they had available at that time).
Nah. A fig for Horner's explanation. I saw the race. It wasn't for lack of speed. Vettel tried. He couldn't. So they pitted him early and got him past Hamilton that way.
To be fair, I think on Alonso winning, Alonso+Ferrari was clearly the fastest package out there today, faster than Vettel+Red Bull, at least in that last stint. S2 with the Maggots Becketts complex was an Alonso walkover. He was pulling easily 7 or 8 tenths a lap there in the last stint. The bad pitstop gifted the lead to Alonso, but it most certainly, in my view, didn't gift them the win.
About Mark, he was told to not overtake, but to be fair he kept battling to the end. And Horner (or Webber, can't remember which) said that the message came out 2 laps before the end, and most of the wheel to wheel between Webber & Vettel happened in those last two laps
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Traction wrote:
Given a few more laps he certainly would of...he was all over Hamilton.... ...even Massachusetts was all over him till he got bumped off....
Indeed he was all over Hamilton, yet it took him 8 laps or so to overtake him, great driver you got, only good when everything goes perfect and he comes first thorought the corner.
Ow yes, he also became second because he needed a team order to keep Webber behind...
EDIT: Fixed it, sorry zeph
Well it certainly didn't look like Webber was listening to anyone anyway...who says you have to overtake someone within a certain amount of laps....Hamilton was lucky Vettel went in when he did...he would have had him...and whatbwas with Hamilton at the end there...resorting to that keep myosition by driving Ps3 style again...man...I give it to him...when he doesn't want someone past him he justbtakes them out legend driver...he's a real winner!
IMO though Vettel lost out with the pit debacle but he certainly looked as if he was lacking pace at the end there....
Generally I don't care about what people say. I have to be clear with myself. When everything goes well, people celebrate you, when you make mistakes people criticize you.
Sebastian Vettel
Traction wrote:
Given a few more laps he certainly would of...he was all over Hamilton.... ...even Massachusetts was all over him till he got bumped off....
Indeed he was all over Hamilton, yet it took him 8 laps or so to overtake him, great driver you got, only good when everything goes perfect and he comes first thorought the corner.
Ow yes, he also became second because he needed a team order to keep Webber behind...
Bernie Ecclestone has confirmed that all twelve F1 teams have now agreed to return to pre-Silverstone diffuser rules.
Bernie Ecclestone has confirmed that all twelve F1 teams have now agreed to return to pre-Silverstone diffuser rules, following a weekend of discontent at the British Grand Prix.
The FIA issued a statement late on Saturday reporting that an offer had been made to scrap plans to ban blown diffusers - due to have been introduced from the British round - and allow teams to continue with the technology until the end of the season, when new exhaust rules will come into play for 2012.
Pre-race speculation suggested at least two teams were holding out on the agreement, but Ecclestone insisted to the BBC that an accord had been achieved in the hours before the lights go out on round nine.
The regulations introduced for Silverstone will be maintained for the British Grand Prix, but will revert to early-season spec from the next round, at the Nurburgring, later this month.
More to follow...
Source Credit: Crash.Net
What the hell????
Generally I don't care about what people say. I have to be clear with myself. When everything goes well, people celebrate you, when you make mistakes people criticize you.
Sebastian Vettel
Traction wrote:Bernie Ecclestone has confirmed that all twelve F1 teams have now agreed to return to pre-Silverstone diffuser rules.
Bernie Ecclestone has confirmed that all twelve F1 teams have now agreed to return to pre-Silverstone diffuser rules, following a weekend of discontent at the British Grand Prix.
The FIA issued a statement late on Saturday reporting that an offer had been made to scrap plans to ban blown diffusers - due to have been introduced from the British round - and allow teams to continue with the technology until the end of the season, when new exhaust rules will come into play for 2012.
Pre-race speculation suggested at least two teams were holding out on the agreement, but Ecclestone insisted to the BBC that an accord had been achieved in the hours before the lights go out on round nine.
The regulations introduced for Silverstone will be maintained for the British Grand Prix, but will revert to early-season spec from the next round, at the Nurburgring, later this month.
More to follow...
Source Credit: Crash.Net
What the hell????
Yes, and moments later when Brundle asked Christian Horner, he said they were still waiting for one signature. Bernie was a bit optimistic at the time, but it could be done already indeed...