British GP 2011 - Silverstone

[ringo]

interesting & good race but pathetic stewarding, either you let them race
or you don´t, but measuring with different scales is just poor sport.

Remember last years race with Vettel barelling through Sutil and many other drivers?

It has to be case by case basis.

Shumacher running into another driver and spinning him was just clumsy.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Fairly entertaining race, nice to hear a different anthem at the end

Red Bull are team orders hypocrits. The slammed Ferrari for doing it last year, regardless of the situation, Red Bull preached that they would never do such a thing, and here we are. Webber ignored it anyway, and good on him because it gave us some great closing laps.

Massa Vs. Hamilton was quite a clear cut racing incident. Massa had a last minute "what the hell" lunge which he almost pulled off, if he hadn't closed the door he might have done it. Lewis locked up trying to avoid him, ended up understeering in to him. We will see how the stewards call it, personally I can't see where Hamilton could have gone, Massa just closed the door. If you look back at previous incidents where Hamilton has done a similar move, he was the one that got the penalty, not that I'm saying Massa should recieve a penalty.

[747heavy]

It has to be case by case basis.

Shumacher running into another driver and spinning him was just clumsy.

perhaps, and di Resta cutting another drivers tire was not?

IMHO - If you can´t overtake without touching someone, you don´t do it right.
Whoever it is.

[Paul]

Not sure but for Vettel when he came out the pits after losing 10 seconds and giving Alonso the lead....then realizing he just wasn't catching him at all...Alonso took the opportunity and made it work...When do you think they gave up?

I have a feeling they were hoping to catch Alonso, despite the lap times not really supporting that. Otherwise they would have told Vettel to look after tyres more, seeing how desperate he was trying to get around Hamilton to no avail, although that is only my opinion.

[zeph]

I concede that the botched up pitstop robbed him of what looked like another easy win, but I'm still waiting for your explanation of how Vettel could not overtake Hamilton on track when he clearly had a faster car.

I'm still waiting for your explanation why the red bull was faster....didn't see that in the race. Also look at how vettel later overtook massa....

No need to explain. The race and the numbers speak for themselves in that regard. Just look how Vettel pulled away from Hamilton after that pitstop.

Nonetheless, I'm not saying that Vettel sucked today. He lost out with a botched-up pitstop but did finish 2nd, albeit with a little help from "Maintain the Gap".

[ringo]

It has to be case by case basis.

Shumacher running into another driver and spinning him was just clumsy.

perhaps, and di Resta cutting another drivers tire was not?

IMHO - If you can´t overtake without touching someone, you don´t do it right.
Whoever it is.

I didn't see the diresta one well at all. And i'm not british so i have no bias.

It looked like buemi was fighting hard to hold the place. I would say it's a racing incident if Buemi could continue.
BBC is very biased towards him though. They love diresta and always find ways to big him up over sutil, when in fact he isn't doing much better than Perez or Maldonado to some extent.

[Traction]

Not sure but for Vettel when he came out the pits after losing 10 seconds and giving Alonso the lead....then realizing he just wasn't catching him at all...Alonso took the opportunity and made it work...When do you think they gave up?

I have a feeling they were hoping to catch Alonso, despite the lap times not really supporting that. Otherwise they would have told Vettel to look after tyres more, seeing how desperate he was trying to get around Hamilton to no avail, although that is only my opinion.

When Hamilton ended up behind Vettel it would have been awesome if LH had given some effort and tried to catch SV, tried to make a race and see if he could at least catch SV but there was just no way he would have been able to do it. Alonso blew past and overtook LH earlier in the race do you think with another lap in hand Massa would also have done it again making it twice?

[andartop]

quote of the race?

Christian Horner: "We can't afford to risk losing points"

Yes you do Christian "Red Bull ---" Horner, yes you do!!!

[raymondu999]

To be fair, on that point, nobody can afford to throw away points for anything. Even if it means they wrap the title up in 14 races rather than 15. It's still a more comfy position to be in.

[kakogohrena]

Race:

Lap chart
History graph

include: pit times, tyre info

S = Soft compound
H = Hard compound
N = New compound
U = Used compound
I = Intermediate tyre
W = Wet tyre

D = Damage
DT = Drive Through
NC = Not classified

[myurr]

Not sure but for Vettel when he came out the pits after losing 10 seconds and giving Alonso the lead....then realizing he just wasn't catching him at all...Alonso took the opportunity and made it work...When do you think they gave up?

I have a feeling they were hoping to catch Alonso, despite the lap times not really supporting that. Otherwise they would have told Vettel to look after tyres more, seeing how desperate he was trying to get around Hamilton to no avail, although that is only my opinion.

When Hamilton ended up behind Vettel it would have been awesome if LH had given some effort and tried to catch SV, tried to make a race and see if he could at least catch SV but there was just no way he would have been able to do it. Alonso blew past and overtook LH earlier in the race do you think with another lap in hand Massa would also have done it again making it twice?

The McLaren is currently generating too much heat in its tyres. This is part of the reason Button was so quick in Canada and why McLaren were again the class of the field today as the track started to dry, albeit by a smaller amount.

However in completely bone dry conditions they're currently cooking the tyres so they're unable to make them last as well as Red Bull and Ferrari. Hence in the second half of the race they fell behind a bit as they had to try and conserve the tyres, as well as fuel in this case.

[zeph]

Race:

Lap chart

History graph

That shows that Vettel was <1s of Hamilton for 7 laps straight. So plenty of DRS opportunities, methinks.

[Traction]

Q: (Adam Hay-Nicholls - Metro) Mark, Christian Horner has said that you should be fine with the team orders at the end and if you and Seb had raced until the end you would both have ended up in the fence. Do you agree with that? Was it the right call? Does this mean realistically that you are out of this championship?
MW: I am not fine with it. No. That's the answer to that. If Fernando retires on the last lap we are battling for the victory so I was fine until the end. Of course I ignored the team as I want to try and get another place. Seb was doing his best and I was doing my best. I don't want to crash with anyone, but that was it. I tried to do my best with the amount of conversation I had. One-way conversation obviously as I wasn't talking too much back. There was a lot of traffic coming to me, but I was still trying to do my best to pass the guy in front.

Q:(Adam Hay-Nicholls - Metro) Do you remember roughly how many messages you had?
MW: Probably four or five.

Just in case anyone thinks that he actually listened to the team orders. obviously both were giving it massive effort at the end....

[cirrusflyer]

It has to be case by case basis.

Shumacher running into another driver and spinning him was just clumsy.

perhaps, and di Resta cutting another drivers tire was not?

IMHO - If you can´t overtake without touching someone, you don´t do it right.
Whoever it is.

+1
MS was pennalised by driving without FW to the pits (lost lots of time and 3-4 places) and 10 sec stop an go. In that case Kobayashi lost 1 place (spinning and recovery) nothing more.
Diresta put another driver out of the race and the stevards didnt even investigate that.
IMO MS drove good race - only 17 sec behind NR with 1 extra stop (and that one longer than ordinary tyre change) and lots of overtaking.
He would probably be infront of Nico.
Grat race in Silverstone today. =D>

[Ray]

Sorry but no. Webber was much faster than Vettel and this maintaining position to prevent a collision is bullshit. Plain bullshit. The only collision that has happened between Red Bull drivers for a position was when Vettel hit Webber in Turkey. They could have easily, easily, told Vettel to let him past. Had Webber not been told to stay behind he would have overtaken him easily anyway. This is total bullshit, there was a massive uproar when Alonso was told to pass Massa and now excuses are being thrown around for this. All of you supporting this should be ashamed. There was no gain to anyone but Vettels ego. Webber had that place and if I were him I'd have passed Vettel and given the team a middle finger as I went past the flagstand. He has an 80 point lead on Webber, there is no excuse for not allowing him to help himself in the WDC standings, nothing would have come of it.