Silly Season 2011/2012

[ESPImperium]

I would truly hate to this happen, with both team and driver doing a swansong season just to make up the numbers.

It appears that it is so. It would appear to be at first sight an ill-advised swansong for both, but Raikkonen has always been a driver who's made considered decisions about where he's gone, or not gone, as the case may be.

Everything sensible tells me that Williams is going the journey at some point soon, but with the Renault tie-up that seriously seemed to annoy Red Bull and Patrick Head allegedly finally being ejected from the team there might be a few breaths yet.

I hope it does happen, as it seems he has seen what Schumacher ie enjoying at Mercedes and he wants a pice, and it looks as if the Williams seat is the best he can get as it seems that all the other good seats are tied up, or just not intrested. He is in the market for fun, and Williams are wanting results, and both could do something together.

The Williams-Renault deal was announced before the Red Bull-renault deal, and to apise Red Bull, Renault have now made them their works team, so Red Bull get free engine supply as a result. Renault get paid by Lotus Renault GP, Team Lotus and will be charging Williams, Renault supply the RS27-201x engine and their Magnetti/Renault KERS system, Team Lotus are paying €7m this year as they arnt using KERS, and will be paying the same next year as they will use Red Bulls.

However id recon "Einstone GP" and Williams are going to pay arround the €10m mark for Renault power next year with KERS. Renault Sport need to make €25 to €27mm a season at present to remain in the sport, and they are making this. And with the Red Bull/Renault/Infiniti-Nissan this cost is coming down for the 2014 season and onwards. Renault Sport need to make a profit to go racing, and so far they are looking like they will do so soon.

Red Bull i think were pissed off, but not now they have free engine supply and a partnership with Renault. And a key role in the V6 Turbo as they will be able to optomise the packaging for the RB10 in 2014 with the Renault V6.

Ill say that the Williams-Renault deal is for a key reason, so that Renault have a second works team for the 2014 season as i am thinking with the finances at Einstone being tight, they may go for the cheaper Cosworth engine soon as that will give them a €5m a season saving straight off.

Another thought on Kimi, would Toyota have pulled out of F1 in 2009 if they had pulled off the Kimi deal for €12m a season and paired him with Kimui??? Also would have ment a 13 team grid, and F1 could have been totally different now.

[raymondu999]

Why not Raikkonen for Renault? They might have a free seat.

Also, if I remember correctly, back then Toyota wanted a superstar pairing of Raikkonen-Kubica.

[ajdavison2]

If red bull has that much of a say concerning the V6, then the RB10 could be very mighty.

[JoeGraham11]

Senna has looked really handy in that Renault since his return after the Hispania disaster, would not be suprised to see him replace Webber at Red Bull.

[MIKEY_!]

Can't see that happening myself. They need webbers experience.

[Byronrhys]

Can't see that happening myself. They need webbers experience.

Why? He's being thrashed by Vettel( really he is, its embarrassing because I like Webber)... they don't need experience anymore.

[munudeges]

I've never really understood how Webber has survived at Red Bull and hasn't been under a massive amount of pressure. He's sitting in the most dominant car on the grid and hasn't won in it for over a year. He's struggled to get the car into second behind his team mate more often than not and has more than his fair share of ill-advised accidents of his own doing.

I consider Webber to be one of the luckiest drivers there has been considering where he is and his relative talents.

[donskar]

I would truly hate to this happen, with both team and driver doing a swansong season just to make up the numbers.

It appears that it is so. It would appear to be at first sight an ill-advised swansong for both, but Raikkonen has always been a driver who's made considered decisions about where he's gone, or not gone, as the case may be.

Everything sensible tells me that Williams is going the journey at some point soon, but with the Renault tie-up that seriously seemed to annoy Red Bull and Patrick Head allegedly finally being ejected from the team there might be a few breaths yet.

I hope it does happen, as it seems he has seen what Schumacher ie enjoying at Mercedes and he wants a pice, and it looks as if the Williams seat is the best he can get as it seems that all the other good seats are tied up, or just not intrested. He is in the market for fun, and Williams are wanting results, and both could do something together.

The Williams-Renault deal was announced before the Red Bull-renault deal, and to apise Red Bull, Renault have now made them their works team, so Red Bull get free engine supply as a result. Renault get paid by Lotus Renault GP, Team Lotus and will be charging Williams, Renault supply the RS27-201x engine and their Magnetti/Renault KERS system, Team Lotus are paying €7m this year as they arnt using KERS, and will be paying the same next year as they will use Red Bulls.

However id recon "Einstone GP" and Williams are going to pay arround the €10m mark for Renault power next year with KERS. Renault Sport need to make €25 to €27mm a season at present to remain in the sport, and they are making this. And with the Red Bull/Renault/Infiniti-Nissan this cost is coming down for the 2014 season and onwards. Renault Sport need to make a profit to go racing, and so far they are looking like they will do so soon.

Red Bull i think were pissed off, but not now they have free engine supply and a partnership with Renault. And a key role in the V6 Turbo as they will be able to optomise the packaging for the RB10 in 2014 with the Renault V6.

Ill say that the Williams-Renault deal is for a key reason, so that Renault have a second works team for the 2014 season as i am thinking with the finances at Einstone being tight, they may go for the cheaper Cosworth engine soon as that will give them a €5m a season saving straight off.

Another thought on Kimi, would Toyota have pulled out of F1 in 2009 if they had pulled off the Kimi deal for €12m a season and paired him with Kimui??? Also would have ment a 13 team grid, and F1 could have been totally different now.

RBR "pissed off" because Williams get Renault engines?! You're joking, right? Do you seriously believe RBR see ANY threat fromWilliams?

[godlameroso]

Right, it's like saying Mclaren are mad at Force India for their use of Mercedes engines

[MIKEY_!]

Webber has been at RBR for five years (will be six), through good times and bad. I like to think that counts for something, even in F1. I think his lack of speed this year might be partly due to car being built specifically for Vettel. Don't actually know for sure if it was, but lets face who wouldn't. And the tires, always the tires. His poor starts will be the end of him though.

[marcush.]

ther is not much speaking in Webbers favour at this time ,maybe the one thing is that he has scored almost as good as last year this far even when Vettel scored massively better compared to 2010.
So he has not lost value since then .
I don´t know but is Vettel relying on Webbers updates?I could imagine something like this could persuade the team in the sake of stability to retain a driver that is outperformed but a steady hand.
sure the frank opinions offfered by Ascanelli and Tost from Toro Rosso about Vettel being the sole reason for them scoring a win is devaluing Webber big time .It needed Vettel joining RB to make them winners ,Webbo was there already ..
So maybe Didi has some sentiments about Mark ,a very good reason to retain and pay him not obvious to the world.

the whole reason to have TR was to nurture talent and promote it to RB and now they hesitate to promote Jaime or Sebastian which leads to a serious traffic jam in their
scheme as well ..adding cost to find a seat for Ricciardo and the other hotshoes in the pipeline.funny as Marko is known as a hardliner but these days he seems to be prepared to stay put...

[waynes]

I've never really understood how Webber has survived at Red Bull and hasn't been under a massive amount of pressure. He's sitting in the most dominant car on the grid and hasn't won in it for over a year. He's struggled to get the car into second behind his team mate more often than not and has more than his fair share of ill-advised accidents of his own doing.

I consider Webber to be one of the luckiest drivers there has been considering where he is and his relative talents.

i dont believe he should even be in the RB, he's massively overrated and compared to Vettel / Alonso / Button / Hamilton he's stupidly slow.

also, he just winds me up in general, his stupid "yeah" aussie drawl, and the name "aussie grit" twitter name

gtfo

[xpensive]

Perhaps a Coughlan-designed FW34-Renault could be a proposal serious enough for Raikkönen to consider, given they can keep PH out of things, but I wonder where the money would come from, Hugo Chavez cannot pay for the entire team, or can he?

As for Webber, I think Vettel is rather happy to have him as a team-mate.

[raymondu999]

Why not Kimi for renault? If kubi can't make it back that is

[Byronrhys]

Why not Kimi for renault? If kubi can't make it back that is

There is too much driver trouble at the team... they have too much drivers they 'need' and the team is on a downward spiral anyways.