You're from the Netherlands too?mnmracer wrote:In the Netherlands, we've stopped taking Verstappen serious a (long) time ago.
I think Barrichello can explain you that...yace wrote:hi guys
if it was true, why flavio didn't put this device on jos' car too? the constructrs championship is also important...
bhallg2k wrote:It's only illegal if you get caught.
Glad some poepole here are sensible to point of the differenceRaptor22 wrote:LOL, the "option 13" mystery rages on.
The banning of TC and active suspension came at the end of 1993.
The lateness of all this contributed to Williams hurriedly redesigning their FW16 resulting in a car with some rather evil handling characteristics and poor traction.
Benetton had designed their car for passive suspension but it had active dampers the year before and they were still not committed to a fully active car. The result they were more prepared to homologate a racing car with passive suspension that handled well and they did.
The Option 13 was found buried deep in the Ford Zetec-R 's ECU and it required a very specific set of actions to activate. It was a type of launch control not TC. Benetton admitted the software had never been deleted from the ECU because it was an integrated part of the engines mapping. The only way to disable it was to not fit the sensor suit required for to feedback to the ECU.
An active sensor suit was never found on the car over race weekends hence the FIA dropped the complaint. Benetton admitted to using it during tyre testing sessions away from GP weekends.
What made the B194 successful was excellent weight distribution, fairly good midrange power and torque from the Cosworth Ford Zetec RV-8 and a electronically adjustable differential that provided great traction. Those were not banned items.
The B194 was also lighter than the other cars on the grid and it carried a fair amount of balast weight to bring it up to regulation weight.
Jos said at the time the car was difficult to drive because it gave no warning of oversteer. Schumacher called the car perfectly balanced. The discrepancy suggests that the big difference lay in how the car was set up and what the driver could do to adjust the electronic diff.
All F1 cars today have electronic differentials
What about Senna ehh??izybluffen wrote:Apparently:
Option 11- Launch Control, look at the 94 French GP start.
Option 12- 4 Wheel steering, just a rumor.
Option 13- Traction Control, what this thread is about.
There is also the "removing of fuel filter" from the fuel rig, see 94 German GP when Jos nearly was toast, and how Schu beat Senna out of the pits in Brazil.
An old Benetton mechanic is quoted as saying "the only thing that car didn't have was cruise control" !!!
Schu was also given a 3 race ban for ignoring a black flag at Silverstone 94.
Schu punts hill off at Adelaide 94 to win WDC.
Flavio, Schu and Byrne's were the ultimate cheat team in 1994.
Senna knew there was cheating going on and he wouldn't have had to push the dog handling FW16 so hard to stay in front of Schu. When Newey made the changes Senna wanted from the start of testing which became the FW16B, the William's became the best car again and Hill should have won the WDC. So it makes you think that Senna would have easily won the WDC if not for his death as Ayrton was way better than Hill. Food for thought.
Thought this was about what Jos said,Mr.S wrote:What about Senna ehh??izybluffen wrote:Apparently:
Option 11- Launch Control, look at the 94 French GP start.
Option 12- 4 Wheel steering, just a rumor.
Option 13- Traction Control, what this thread is about.
There is also the "removing of fuel filter" from the fuel rig, see 94 German GP when Jos nearly was toast, and how Schu beat Senna out of the pits in Brazil.
An old Benetton mechanic is quoted as saying "the only thing that car didn't have was cruise control" !!!
Schu was also given a 3 race ban for ignoring a black flag at Silverstone 94.
Schu punts hill off at Adelaide 94 to win WDC.
Flavio, Schu and Byrne's were the ultimate cheat team in 1994.
Senna knew there was cheating going on and he wouldn't have had to push the dog handling FW16 so hard to stay in front of Schu. When Newey made the changes Senna wanted from the start of testing which became the FW16B, the William's became the best car again and Hill should have won the WDC. So it makes you think that Senna would have easily won the WDC if not for his death as Ayrton was way better than Hill. Food for thought.
In that sense was an even bigger disgrace,openly --- up the rules,crashed intentionally even though Michael gets way too much flak for his actions.
Senna probably had more black falls than anyone ever in Formula 1 history, I think he got 4 in a season too. That makes him the biggest cheat in history right???
? Wrong???
He knew and he told the FIA, which chose to ignore it.wasn't really aware of it
Start at Magny Cours 94 proves nothing. He also had bad starts that season (e.g. at Interlagos). One wonders how he didn't take the lead at the start at Imola and Silverstone with the supposed traction control that was on the car.izybluffen wrote:Apparently:
Option 11- Launch Control, look at the 94 French GP start.
Option 12- 4 Wheel steering, just a rumor.
Option 13- Traction Control, what this thread is about.
There is also the "removing of fuel filter" from the fuel rig, see 94 German GP when Jos nearly was toast, and how Schu beat Senna out of the pits in Brazil.
An old Benetton mechanic is quoted as saying "the only thing that car didn't have was cruise control" !!!
Schu was also given a 3 race ban for ignoring a black flag at Silverstone 94.
Schu punts hill off at Adelaide 94 to win WDC.
Flavio, Schu and Byrne's were the ultimate cheat team in 1994.
Senna knew there was cheating going on and he wouldn't have had to push the dog handling FW16 so hard to stay in front of Schu. When Newey made the changes Senna wanted from the start of testing which became the FW16B, the William's became the best car again and Hill should have won the WDC. So it makes you think that Senna would have easily won the WDC if not for his death as Ayrton was way better than Hill. Food for thought.
manchild wrote:Thank you Jos!
Previous two seasons have proved that when MS is in the midfield car and without FIA help, he is just another midfield driver.
Senna died trying to get away from illegally superior car that was chasing him. He died because it was impossible, and in his mind he either knew about Benetton's dirt and opted to fight no matter what, or wasn't really aware of it. I'd go for second possibility, since he'd turn paddock upside down if he suspected something, in order to get Benetton checked. Flavio and Brawn were just small fries who wanted quick success just like MS. In years that followed, together with Todt and Mossley they've destroyed all of F1 virtues that were standing in their way to "success".
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad6l2yHTS0Y[/youtube]
strad wrote:He knew and he told the FIA, which chose to ignore it.wasn't really aware of it
Many many people commented on the obvious sound of the Benettons traction control only to be pooh poohed by the FIA.
He later had both TC and LC and everybody knew it. They just couldn't find it in the code, even though the programming sequence was becoming common knowledge in the pits.
