McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes (pre-launch speculation)

[Mr.S]

Wheelbase looks as short as Mercedes last year. Big departure from last year. Then again it is important to understand from this picture.

[beelsebob]

Wheelbase looks as short as Mercedes last year. Big departure from last year. Then again it is important to understand from this picture.

Huh? Which picture?

[Alexgtt]

=D> The boys at Mclaren would be laughing their heads off if they read just half the crap posted he re: that bloody generated image!!

FFS, the 27 it is not! Any chance it can be forgotten and we can get back to some stimulating conversation?

[FrukostScones]

mmm.. on a German website Martin Whitmarsh is cited: "The MP4-27 will be a logical Evolution of the 26 adapted to the new regs."

Don't know if this statement was made recently...

edit: yes http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews ... 12959.html

So no "jump jet" , but outside vertical rectangles....
the x-fighter is born...

Oh man, 1. Feb is overdue... please stop the silly season!!!!

[PlatinumZealot]

=D> The boys at Mclaren would be laughing their heads off if they read just half the crap posted he re: that bloody generated image!!

FFS, the 27 it is not! Any chance it can be forgotten and we can get back to some stimulating conversation?

all I can say with any certainty is that the MP4-27 is a logical evolution of the MP4-26, adapted to the new technical regulations, and that from what we can discern its development is going in the right direction

The quote as mentioned by Mr. Strokes above.

Since the 27 is a natural evolution, the picture could well be the MP4-27!! I am slightly nervous of this because the '26 sucked hard when it came to no EBD.

[aral]

=D> The boys at Mclaren would be laughing their heads off if they read just half the crap posted he re: that bloody generated image!!

FFS, the 27 it is not! Any chance it can be forgotten and we can get back to some stimulating conversation?

all I can say with any certainty is that the MP4-27 is a logical evolution of the MP4-26, adapted to the new technical regulations, and that from what we can discern its development is going in the right direction

The quote as mentioned by Mr. Strokes above.

Since the 27 is a natural evolution, the picture could well be the MP4-27!! I am slightly nervous of this because the '26 sucked hard when it came to no EBD.

Its a GENERIC shape and is not even representative of the 26,let alone the 27!

[myurr]

=D> The boys at Mclaren would be laughing their heads off if they read just half the crap posted he re: that bloody generated image!!

FFS, the 27 it is not! Any chance it can be forgotten and we can get back to some stimulating conversation?

all I can say with any certainty is that the MP4-27 is a logical evolution of the MP4-26, adapted to the new technical regulations, and that from what we can discern its development is going in the right direction

The quote as mentioned by Mr. Strokes above.

Since the 27 is a natural evolution, the picture could well be the MP4-27!! I am slightly nervous of this because the '26 sucked hard when it came to no EBD.

Its a GENERIC shape and is not even representative of the 26,let alone the 27!

It's also rather simplistic to just say that the 26 sucked without the EBD - there were a number of factors that exaggerated Silverstone, plus the car wasn't without the EBD it was without off throttle blowing of the EBD.

[Alexgtt]

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In an motorsport as advanced as F1, with a development process so fast if you stand still for two GP's your way off the pace, any top teams achievements are far from embarrassing. Maybe it's because their policy of totally equal equipment for both drivers that have contributed to that stat but I still applaud them for it.

Anyway, this is supposed to be a technical thread about the car, not a slagging thread. Back on topic please.

I'm fascinated to see what the solution will be for the exhaust/rear end blowing. Is there anything in the regs that prevent making the engine cover a blown wing with it's shape? Also, what stops them exiting the exhaust so that the bodywork still funnels the exhaust gases to the diffuser area?

[raymondu999]

what stops them exiting the exhaust so that the bodywork still funnels the exhaust gases to the diffuser area?

The regulations that say you're not allowed to have bodywork in the path of the exhaust plume, perhaps?

[Gridlock]

what stops them exiting the exhaust so that the bodywork still funnels the exhaust gases to the diffuser area?

The regulations that say you're not allowed to have bodywork in the path of the exhaust plume, perhaps?

well, yes, but I think the question was more in the spirit of e.g. the fact the front wing cascade is mostly there to direct air to various bits of the car behind it.


You couldn't mount bodywork in the restricted zones, but you could send vortices and airflows in favourable directions using bodywork in front of the exits.

[Giblet]

I have removed some bickering over who is better, who should be embarrassed, etc.

To the new users, the car threads are for talking about the car. Not the team, the drivers (unless it relates to the car, not what kind of dog they own, or who their gf is).

Trolling and attempting to incite arguments, plus useless comments like "PWNED" are frowned upon. This is not Xbox Live, its not 4Chan, and its not reddit.

Thanks.

[Alexgtt]

what stops them exiting the exhaust so that the bodywork still funnels the exhaust gases to the diffuser area?

The regulations that say you're not allowed to have bodywork in the path of the exhaust plume, perhaps?

well, yes, but I think the question was more in the spirit of e.g. the fact the front wing cascade is mostly there to direct air to various bits of the car behind it.


You couldn't mount bodywork in the restricted zones, but you could send vortices and airflows in favourable directions using bodywork in front of the exits.

This is what I was thinking. The influence of the front aero/vortices on directing exhaust gas over the rear engine cover and the shape of the engine cover to manipulate it and blow diffuser/rear wing lower element, etc.???

[aleks_ader]

This is what I was thinking. The influence of the front aero/vortices on directing exhaust gas over the rear engine cover and the shape of the engine cover to manipulate it and blow diffuser/rear wing lower element, etc.???

Yes you have good point but this efect is very depend on diff car speeds! So i think the best is to maitain flow infont exhaus untouch to make proper wing blowing...

For Mclaren engineers with U pods will be even "simple" exhaust mouting point hard to find. I think for them is best option to risk the CofG and mount the exit of exhauost hole heighest as posible and narrov as possible rules and engine cover bodyword will allowed... Will see on 3rd Feb!

[Alexgtt]

... Will see on 3rd Feb!

Indeed. Can't wait for all teams to roll out the cars. There's no doubt that all the top teams will be fighting to gain lost EBD. It seems it'll be all about how effectively they can "blow" something with the exhaust exit. It's just about the only area of development left when the regs have relatively stabalised over the last few years.

Let's hope someones come up with a radical solution.

[raymondu999]

After all this speculation; it would be an absolute tragedy if the MP4-27 turned out to be a very conservative, no-frills design