2012 Testing - Jerez 7-10 February

[bosanac1]

there is some rumors going around Ferrari is not doing so well (struggling)....


also Schumacher Sky sports interview said their car is not title contender I guess another middle pack season for Mercedes, btw Schumacher is always extremely honest in interviews he said the same thing about W02 and WO1 during testing.

[Mr.S]

I think they will beat Williams this year & hopefully challenge Sauber & maybe Toro Rosso as well.

Wow, you already know that Sauber & Toro Rosso will be better than Williams. Based on what, a crystal ball? What about rest of the field? Can you tell us that too, so we can move on to 2013?

...my posts & most if not all contains A "IMO" or "I think". In this case it is a "I think" which is starkly different to a "I know".

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The other bit is you want to know. My "thinking" is based on ME viewing pictures of the car & following Testing both these days. ...

But since we are all playing a guessing game & what could happen & who could gain out of the EBD ban & how each car looks on its long run. I decided to give my opinion. If you dont like it FINE enough. ...

[Mr.S]

Regarding MSC last year I distinctly remember him saying that they have a winning car of somewhere close to that. Mercedes had topped the test then & everyone was going ga-ga then though. MSC said that RBR will be the fastest car & will have a pack of cars chasing it & his guess is that Mercedes will lead that pack.

I dont think he had any idea about the "HUGE performance" gain the EBD gave or that Mercedes will run into set-up compromise issues between qualy & race set-ups or the Huge over-heating problems.

So I give him the benefit of doubt. Usually he speaks in a sensible way.

[manchild]

"I think" is usually a supposition.

I had that in mind. He said "I think they will beat Williams this year & hopefully challenge Sauber & maybe Toro Rosso as well."

He only supposes that they could beat Williams, but defines Sauber & Toro Rosso as teams in front of Williams by default, as something logical and natural, like it is already and unquestionably decided. That was the reason for my sarcasm, not he supposition.

... also Schumacher Sky sports interview said their car is not title contender...

After being familiar with Schumacher's honesty for previous 20 years, I read what he said as "we have a dominant car"

[Mr.S]

"I think" is usually a supposition.

I had that in mind. He said "I think they will beat Williams this year & hopefully challenge Sauber & maybe Toro Rosso as well."

He only supposes that they could beat Williams, but defines Sauber & Toro Rosso as teams in front of Williams by default, as something logical and natural, like it is already and unquestionably decided. That was the reason for my sarcasm, not he supposition.

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I Think they will beat Williams
Hopefully they will challenge Sauber & Toro Rosso as well

2 Separate sentences. I have previously stated time & again that from what I have seen so far, I think Toro Rosso will outpace Williams. I dont need to repeat the same sentence time & again. And say "Hey as I said 20 posts back & stuff....".

The other issue is that Sauber & Toro Rosso have finished much ahead of Williams last season,sure a lot of variables were in play & Williams could have been better with EBD but it is not really a ridiculous proposition.

Williams are in their lowest point with dwindling finances & 2 pay Drivers. This is nor Ferrari we are talking about,so need to feel as if this is the Biggest Upset of the Century

[manchild]

Explaining personal reasons for animosity towards Williams would tell more than grumpy posts filled with bad wishes for them. I've always explained mine reasons for hating Ferrari since Montezemolo took over the company.

So, why do you hate Williams?

Is it because I like it?

[Mr.S]

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My hatred or liking would be based on my preference & not on others.

Other than that obvious answer to the question is I dont hate Williams. Never did. I hate certain things & Williams at this point signify a lot of those stuff. Hatred is probably too stern a word. A more appropriate word would be I DONT LIKE.

Heck I have even played with Williams in Formula1 game.

[Alexgtt]

Errr, do you think we could quit the handbags at ten paces and get back to the testing.

What is ridiculous at this juncture is to presume any of the cars actual pace. As is the nature of testing, now is the time to try various ideas and maybe get them wrong. McLaren this time last year????

[manchild]

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My hatred or liking would be based on my preference & not on others.

Other than that obvious answer to the question is I dont hate Williams. Never did. I hate certain things & Williams at this point signify a lot of those stuff. Hatred is probably too stern a word. A more appropriate word would be I DONT LIKE.

Heck I have even played with Williams in Formula1 game.

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Silly of me to ask those questions when even answers on those about Williams seam to be something you hide for some reason. Still, each time, whenever there is a possibility to trash me or Williams as a team you grab it - without explaining why.

That aggressiveness instead of counter arguments or any other form of explained point of view which would suit the debate as purpose of forum, is what comes as natural.

Respect existence or expect resistance.

[HILTON]

good to see ricciardo not far behind webber in testing, hopefully i sign for this season!

[Insomniac]

Hey guys, thought you might like to see some of the photos I took of days 1 and 2 of testing in Jerez. Here they are: http://imgur.com/a/nWA69.

[gridwalker]

The final column (no. of laps) is perhaps a better indicator of how well they are getting through their test programme.

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Schumacher - 1.18.561 - 53
Webber - 1.19.184 - 58
Ricciardo - 1.19.587 - 41
Bianchi - 1.20.221 - 461
Raikkonen - 1.20.239 - 26
Button - 1.20.688 - 25
Massa - 1.21.060 - 38
Maldonado - 1.21.197 - 61
Perez - 1.21.289 - 35
Kovalainen - 1.21.518 - 78
De La Rosa - 1.23.741 - 23

Wow ... Bianchi for WDC!!!

[jenkF1]

Hey guys, thought you might like to see some of the photos I took of days 1 and 2 of testing in Jerez. Here they are: http://imgur.com/a/nWA69.

Nice =D> =D> =D>

[Gridlock]

Hey guys, thought you might like to see some of the photos I took of days 1 and 2 of testing in Jerez. Here they are: http://imgur.com/a/nWA69.

[bosanac1]

Hey guys, thought you might like to see some of the photos I took of days 1 and 2 of testing in Jerez. Here they are: http://imgur.com/a/nWA69.

fantastic quality

any impressions from track?