Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[Chimps]

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[aduka11]

Hi guys! This is my first post!

Anyhow, Mercedes is hiding an aero secret in the front wing called the W duct! I posted the youtube link to a really interesting video if anyone is curious!

Looks like Mercedes will be a contender with fresh innovations like this! Teams will be scrambling to catch up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9cFis55xM

Enjoy!

Old story dude.

[NewtonMeter]

here's an interesting FACT!


Time for history lesson.

In 1992&1993, Nigel Mansell and Alain Prost became champions in Adrian Newey designed Williams-Renault. But in 1994, Michael Schumacher stopped them, winning the title with Benneton-Ford with Ross Brawn besides him.

In 1998&1999, Mika Hakkinen became champion in a McLaren-Mercedes, and Newey was there again. Guess who stopped them in 2000? It was Michael Shumacher again in a Ferrari and Ross Brawn was besides him, too.

In 2010&2011, young Sebastian Vettel won the title in a car designed by who? It's Mr.Newey again!
Incidentally in 2012, Michael Schmacher and Ross Brawn are together this time at Mercedes AMG Petronas.

Thank you for jinxing his 8th world title. What do you have to say for yourself?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

To demonstrate how close was between two last season,I will give you example with the driver on your avatar-Senna.In 1992 prime Senna outscored his teammate by a single point - 50:49(DNFs-7:6).

Moot point, as he beat Burger. Not only that but he had an 1 more retirement than Burger(7 vs 6) and also lost more points than Burger did in these retirements.

Using the same point system Schumacher outscored Rosberg last season by 3 points-11:8(DNFs-5:2,plus few more front wing accidents).

F1 is far more competitive now than it was in 1992. Hence the reason for the points system to be extended to 10th. Unfortunately you cannot compare the 2 as back in the day there was only 2 teams capable of winning today there are 3, blocking out the top 6 and the points system your holding onto.

Just for the record Senna was easily outscored by Prost in 88 and 89,but some people still think He was a better driver

Er, Senna outscored prost in 1988.
As for 1989, Everytime Senna finished a race he beat Prost apart from 1 occasion in Brazil! Thats why he was classed as the better driver...

It's not difficult for driver to outscore his teammate when he is accident free and hase a lot less DNFs.Button did it last season and Webber almost did it in 2010.

I'm afraid that Rosberg finished ahead of Schumacher more times when both drivers completed the race. Thats a fact.
12 vs 3 in 2010 and then 7 vs 6 bringing a grand total of Schumacher getting beaten by Rosber 19 times to his 9 once both drivers complete the race.
Thats fairly telling IMO.

So I have the facts, and stats to prove my point along with that what I can see. I'm not clutching at straws either. And this isn't to denigrate Schumacher who is an all time great as I have already posted.
Maybe just maybe Schumacher is getting beaten by a younger and faster driver? Ever considered Schumacher to be human?

[Ferraripilot]

I guess the real question is going to be if Charlie Whiting throws his hands in the air at Red Bull and Mclaren and pulls the 3.15 card on them. What's their plan B? I don't think Charlie is going to stand for anyone trying to blow the diffuser really. That's specifically what the new regs are for and per his own mouth he will ban whoever is trying to blow the diff. Let's see if he's a man of his word.

[xpensive]

I guess the real question is going to be if Charlie Whiting throws his hands in the air at Red Bull and Mclaren and pulls the 3.15 card on them. What's their plan B? I don't think Charlie is going to stand for anyone trying to blow the diffuser really. That's specifically what the new regs are for and per his own mouth he will ban whoever is trying to blow the diff. Let's see if he's a man of his word.

CharlieWhiting has no mind of his own, he's just doing what he's told, there are many xamples how he "changed his mind".

[MercAMGF1Fans]

here's an interesting FACT!


Time for history lesson.

In 1992&1993, Nigel Mansell and Alain Prost became champions in Adrian Newey designed Williams-Renault. But in 1994, Michael Schumacher stopped them, winning the title with Benneton-Ford with Ross Brawn besides him.

In 1998&1999, Mika Hakkinen became champion in a McLaren-Mercedes, and Newey was there again. Guess who stopped them in 2000? It was Michael Shumacher again in a Ferrari and Ross Brawn was besides him, too.

In 2010&2011, young Sebastian Vettel won the title in a car designed by who? It's Mr.Newey again!
Incidentally in 2012, Michael Schmacher and Ross Brawn are together this time at Mercedes AMG Petronas.

Thank you for jinxing his 8th world title. What do you have to say for yourself?

Sorry

[varunf12012]

here's an interesting FACT!


Time for history lesson.

In 1992&1993, Nigel Mansell and Alain Prost became champions in Adrian Newey designed Williams-Renault. But in 1994, Michael Schumacher stopped them, winning the title with Benneton-Ford with Ross Brawn besides him.

In 1998&1999, Mika Hakkinen became champion in a McLaren-Mercedes, and Newey was there again. Guess who stopped them in 2000? It was Michael Shumacher again in a Ferrari and Ross Brawn was besides him, too.

In 2010&2011, young Sebastian Vettel won the title in a car designed by who? It's Mr.Newey again!
Incidentally in 2012, Michael Schmacher and Ross Brawn are together this time at Mercedes AMG Petronas.

Amazing stuff !!!!

Intersting piece of information. I wish and hope this year it happens. Somehow I have a gut and intuitive feeling that Mercedes is the real dark horse this year and in the end it would be close fight between Mercedes, Redbull and Mclaren. How good Schumacher performs and whether he is able to outdo his team mate remains to be seen. If the car is good and Schumacher could not beat him then it could be disaster for him.

[varunf12012]

Folks

This year according to me would be toughest ever for Micheal Schumacher.
The car seems to be good and quick as per winter testing. Last year it was comparitevely easy for Schumacher to start quite down the grid and with Kers power and pace of Mercedes and with no real compeition it was bound to happen that he is behind Roseberg. Sometimes though due to shear race craft skills he was ahead of him. No doubt.

This year the field would be quite tighter plus we already know Schumi is not as fast in qualifying as Roseberg is. Therefore most probably he would start the race behind him. If in the first few corners he is able to overtake him and others then Mercedes would focus there race strategy on him and would give second preference to Roseberg. However is he is not able to then we know.

Therefore his starts in race is what according to me would define the year for him.
What's your opinion?

[varunf12012]

I also think and actually now I am able to understand and can put together that actually both 2010 and 2011 season are blessing in disguise for Schumi.

How?? Here is my interpretation of why

2011 Season - He perfected the art of race starts and his mind was more focussed on it in developing and visualizing startegies of starting and taking lines and attacking corners in very first lap. His overtaking skills were also honed up here. Moreover he understood that qualifying is really not his cake right now and he better channelize his energies and focus on race.

2010 Season - I guess the art of defending and coming up to the grips of rules changes.

Now My guess is that while people may have think what Schumi has achived in these two years I would say somehow these two seasons were imp for him to master certain crafts before taking up the real challange.

[dren]

If the car is capable of winning, I expect Schumacher to win first between the two, although I expect Rosberg to lead a race first.

[Mr.S]

To demonstrate how close was between two last season,I will give you example with the driver on your avatar-Senna.In 1992 prime Senna outscored his teammate by a single point - 50:49(DNFs-7:6).

Moot point, as he beat Burger. Not only that but he had an 1 more retirement than Burger(7 vs 6) and also lost more points than Burger did in these retirements.

Using the same point system Schumacher outscored Rosberg last season by 3 points-11:8(DNFs-5:2,plus few more front wing accidents).

F1 is far more competitive now than it was in 1992. Hence the reason for the points system to be extended to 10th. Unfortunately you cannot compare the 2 as back in the day there was only 2 teams capable of winning today there are 3, blocking out the top 6 and the points system your holding onto.

Just for the record Senna was easily outscored by Prost in 88 and 89,but some people still think He was a better driver

Er, Senna outscored prost in 1988.
As for 1989, Everytime Senna finished a race he beat Prost apart from 1 occasion in Brazil! Thats why he was classed as the better driver...

It's not difficult for driver to outscore his teammate when he is accident free and hase a lot less DNFs.Button did it last season and Webber almost did it in 2010.

I'm afraid that Rosberg finished ahead of Schumacher more times when both drivers completed the race. Thats a fact.
12 vs 3 in 2010 and then 7 vs 6 bringing a grand total of Schumacher getting beaten by Rosber 19 times to his 9 once both drivers complete the race.
Thats fairly telling IMO.

So I have the facts, and stats to prove my point along with that what I can see. I'm not clutching at straws either. And this isn't to denigrate Schumacher who is an all time great as I have already posted.
Maybe just maybe Schumacher is getting beaten by a younger and faster driver? Ever considered Schumacher to be human?

If it is 6 vs 7 it clearly shows that this season or I mean last (2011) Michael's race pace was FAR FAR superior to Nico Rosberg as Rosberg had a 17-2 Record in Qualifying against Michael,the 2 times 1 was Monaco where you know what happened with safety car & cold tyres & the other times Nico missed Qualifying.

So from a 6 vs 7 in which Michael has a 4th place which is the best place for Mercedes all season CLEARLY shows that Michael's race pace was far superior. Otherwise Nico should thrashed him & should had atleats 40-50 points more given Michael could never beat him even once on pure pace in qualifying.

Your statistics show it clearly,Nico is just Plain Slower than Michael on Race Pace.

[Mr.S]

I think Malayasia will be a great race for Mercedes. The car is good in fast corners & has good straightline speed. Australia is a weird circuit & hard to guess. Traction is key. Mercedes had bad traction last year. Even Ross said this year that they have to improve traction & slow corner speed.

I think Mercedes will get a P4/P5 in Austrlia & a P2/P3 or a P1/P3 in Malayasia.With hotter temperatures & with RBR & Mclaren's new exhaust there will be big tyre degradation in Malayasia for Red Bull & co. Ross himself hinted that this exhaust can degrade tyres faster.

[Yups]

Your statistics show it clearly,Nico is just Plain Slower than Michael on Race Pace.

I wonder how bad Schumachers pace was if he wasn't able to beat a plain slow driver like Nico Rosberg. On the other side he can be happy to have such a slow driver as teammate, imagine with Alonso, Hamilton or Vettel as teammate it would look even worse.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Your statistics show it clearly,Nico is just Plain Slower than Michael on Race Pace.

I'm afraid your conclusion is illogical