Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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Michael had many more incidents than Rosberg which damaged his race. When his race was not affected by an incident, he would yield well - usually finishing either 1 behind Nico, or he would pull a blinder and end up 5th or 4th.

He had many of his retirements late in the season when the W02's pace was acceptably in the void between Ferrari and 'the rest', and was usually running 8th or higher with the expectation being that he would eventually place in MGP's typical 7th or 8th.

To illustrate to myself, I imagined the expected position for MSC and ROS if their races had been ordinary (excluding Aus):

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ros_actual = [ -- 12  5  5  7 11 11  7  6  7  9  6 --  7 10  8  6  6  7 ];
msc_actual = [ --  9  8 12  6 --  4 17  9  8 --  5  5 --  6 --  5  7 15 ];

ros_adjust = [ -- 12  5  5  7 11 11  7  6  7  9  6  7  7 10  8  6  6  7 ];
msc_adjust = [ --  9  8 12  6  8  4  8  9  8  8  5  5  9  6  7  5  7  8 ];
Obviously, I've plucked these out of my head but I think they are fair and indicative, respectively, of their chances given the position from which they encountered incident.

In the imagined case, MSC has a points haul of 100, and ROS has 95. To any statistician these performances are the same.

So, the question to ask oneself is whether MSC's greater likelihood for incident is just unlucky/one-off-for-2011, or whether they are a fundamental effect of his driving.

My gut is with the former. But either way, AMG have themselves a very handy line-up in ROS and MSC: As drivers they do seem to have different, but complementary, point-yielding characteristics.

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Rosberg is a awesome driver, amazing qualifier...but one thing he lacks to be a next WDC...and thats Mental toughness and Ego..

Something most of WDC's so far had...not to be rude but he is kida too soft when it comes to battling on track..

Example

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV1QmFGfqiQ[/youtube]

I highly doubt MS would let this without returning it back somehow,same for Alonso, same for Hamilton...

Its a small thing, but tells much about Nico.

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If/when Nico gets the car, he may be more driven. I believe the same holds true for Schumacher. When they are smelling a podium instead of a 6th place.
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dren wrote:If/when Nico gets the car, he may be more driven. I believe the same holds true for Schumacher. When they are smelling a podium instead of a 6th place.
so true.confidence is a buildup process even for a 7times champ.Rosberg surely got more out of the two years at Mercedes in that regard,no question.
I have the perception that nico is only very uncompromising when fighting with Michael but that could be a sign of him having a lot of faith with him .Them two have left little room for each other in straight wheel to wheel fights.
I honestly think that Rosberg and Schumacher are the best driver pairing out there as they are spurring each other on in a very positive ways,comparable only to Hamilton and Button who get along surprisingly well even after Button managed to turn the balance last year.
I ask myself how Nico would cope with a Schumacher beating him more often than not.could it be Schumacher was aware of this and just bided his time till the car got competitive? I always thought talent is a god given and surely schu still has the passion ..
Just a few days to speculate ...

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About tyer degradation during testing in barcelona (thread is closed) where we've seen in some cases huge time-diff between laps at the beginning of a stint , I think MercAMG particular did a lot of measurements .

Altough I know the quote below is from Lotus , I still think it's applicable to mercAMG as there have been some hefty discussion about the consistant lap times and degradation here.

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Permane says teams have paid careful attention to the degradation levels of the tyres – and how they react to being over-used early in a stint.
"You can see in testing people went out doing race distances and for the first two, three or four laps the times were very similar – but then they [the tyres] started going away," he said.
ref : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98012

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http://www.f1zone.net/news/red-bull-adm ... des/12945/

After reading the W03 car forum and then this article, it seems that Mercedes may well be looking at pole for the first race. There were "rumours" that Mercedes have developed a duct which allows the car to remain drivable while DRS stays open for an entire lap during qualifying as is permitted in the rules.....please note that word rumours....watch this space...

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Interesting thoughts marcush. Given the natural competitive drive inside of Schumacher, I expect him to be even more racey if he can smell victory.
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http://www.f1zone.net/news/schumacher-a ... ack/12950/

Another interesting read. Schumacher returned partially because of the testing ban.
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retpog55 wrote:http://www.f1zone.net/news/red-bull-adm ... des/12945/

After reading the W03 car forum and then this article, it seems that Mercedes may well be looking at pole for the first race. There were "rumours" that Mercedes have developed a duct which allows the car to remain drivable while DRS stays open for an entire lap during qualifying as is permitted in the rules.....please note that word rumours....watch this space...
If I recall correctly this rumor has started in this thread...^^

Also it would make no sense to have drs open the hole lap, IF (big if) they have so much downforce to have drs open for the entire lap, then they could also just run less wings and be faster in race too, not only in qualy with drs.

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retpog55 wrote:http://www.f1zone.net/news/red-bull-adm ... des/12945/

After reading the W03 car forum and then this article, it seems that Mercedes may well be looking at pole for the first race. There were "rumours" that Mercedes have developed a duct which allows the car to remain drivable while DRS stays open for an entire lap during qualifying as is permitted in the rules.....please note that word rumours....watch this space...
Except Monaco (Tunnel) and Spa (Eau Rouge), where for some reason the FIA decides if a corner is too dangerous for DRS or not. #-o

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It's all over autosport now confirming that whatever rear wing system Mercedes have come up with is perfectly legal. It seems to be a duct that is activated when DRS is used. The duct increases the top speed along the straights but very little is known as to what other benefits it can offer. Red Bull are already developing their own version of the system but have said it wont be ready in time for Australia. Whatever they develop it wont be as finely tuned as the Merc who potentially could have a lot more parts on the overall car design working to maximise the drs f duct's effect. It seems that Mercedes did have something up their sleeve all along yet Brawn still believes wins for the team are unrealistic barring unusual circumstance.

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retpog55 wrote:Whatever they develop it wont be as finely tuned as the Merc who potentially could have a lot more parts on the overall car design working to maximise the drs f duct's effect.
Mercedes in general seem to have been at the forefront of design in rear-wing/DRS interaction. Bar their awkward flow re-attachment problems that occured at the beginning of 2011, they claimed to have the most efficient DRS of the field.

I wouldn't be surprised if this idea actually had its genesis before the start of the 2011 season, and that Mercedes had focussed so much on the rear-wing/DRS interaction thinking that it would be one of the main differentiators for the 2011 season -- potentially with a view to rolling out this update for the european leg of the season. After the brutal reality hit home about the EBD the project may have been shelved for 2012.

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Q&A with Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel

Q: There are now six world champions in the starting field. Do you rate your own chances as the best, or someone else’s?

SV: Unpredictable. It might be all of them, or none, or even someone completely different. Mercedes is definitely closer this year, so Nico (Rosberg) and Michael (Schumacher). Michael has enough titles for both of them (laughs). It could be very interesting or it could be very boring. We don’t know yet, luckily. As they say, when the flag drops the bullsh*t stops.

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Great video....where Rory Byrne talks about the time when he joined Ferrari (1997 year).


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m16RZA8Fzvs[/youtube]


Honestly im F. AMAZED how much Michael did well in that car =D> ...

That for me what makes him the Greatest of all times...

He was winning titles with benetton and went in inferior team and helped it rebuild itself and become what its today....Ferrari...most Succesful F1 team ever...

HATS DOWN Mr.Schumacher...you are truly THE GREATEST!!!

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Mestrades wrote:Q&A with Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel

Q: There are now six world champions in the starting field. Do you rate your own chances as the best, or someone else’s?

SV: Unpredictable. It might be all of them, or none, or even someone completely different. Mercedes is definitely closer this year, so Nico (Rosberg) and Michael (Schumacher). Michael has enough titles for both of them (laughs). It could be very interesting or it could be very boring. We don’t know yet, luckily. As they say, when the flag drops the bullsh*t stops.
Haha... You gotta Love Seb! =D>