Diagonal racing lines

[raymondu999]

N12ck - just because you were quicker than other people in identical machinery, doesn't mean that that's the quickest line though. You don't know that it couldn't be quicker.

[N12ck]

N12ck - just because you were quicker than other people in identical machinery, doesn't mean that that's the quickest line though. You don't know that it couldn't be quicker.

I know for a fact it was quicker, my sector time through that sector, was fastest of anyone

[GrizzleBoy]

N12ck - just because you were quicker than other people in identical machinery, doesn't mean that that's the quickest line though. You don't know that it couldn't be quicker.

I know for a fact it was quicker, my sector time through that sector, was fastest of anyone

He never said you weren't quicker than others.

He said you don't know if it could have been quicker.

Others for instance, could have used the same line as you and gone slower in that sector simply because they're just not as good behind the wheel, were later on the brakes, were confident on the throttle or many other reasons.

[N12ck]

N12ck - just because you were quicker than other people in identical machinery, doesn't mean that that's the quickest line though. You don't know that it couldn't be quicker.

I know for a fact it was quicker, my sector time through that sector, was fastest of anyone

He never said you weren't quicker than others.

He said you don't know if it could have been quicker.

Others for instance, could have used the same line as you and gone slower in that sector simply because they're just not as good behind the wheel, were later on the brakes, were confident on the throttle or many other reasons.

what I'm saying is my line must have been the best out of the 'accepted lines' to have gone quickest, some of these guys were s1 drivers

[GrizzleBoy]

Fair do's!

[krisfx]

N12ck, you have a lap record on one track, I've tested with Super One drivers and formula Renault drivers and they widely use the accepted racing line and still gap everyone else. You're too busy blowing your own trumpet to notice where you can probably gain more time....


Back on topic, just keep the inputs as low as possible for me. Be on the power as early as possible and slowly move across track although in F1 they seem to just stick to one side then dart into the braking zone after turning. Although (this might not apply to cars) but braking towards the outside of the circuit feels like it's giving you a bit longer on the power before you turn in, which is hard to explain.

I'll make it clear however that I started racing this september and am still learning

[raymondu999]

Any steering input will induce a force thatz is slowing you down.
I think this is what is the background of the logic .You shoot the car from the corner with minimum steering input (-you must release the car).Idealy you just open the steerring as early as possible and the car is already aimed in the right direction and you just floor the throttle.
to not induce any drag you don´t give any steering input to gain as much speed as possible and change direction for your perfect corner entry at the latest point without compromising the braking itself.
cornering too long before the next straight will reduce exit speed and delay throttle so your speed on the straight is lower at any point of that straight.

Yeap - that's definitely the theory behind it. Along the straight; just keeping the car dead straight on exit (rather than starting the diagonal) will mean that you're quicker through the straight. It's just a question of whether that time gain on the straight, vs the sharper turn you'd have to make to switch lanes nearer the braking zone IMO.

[Nando]

Yeap - that's definitely the theory behind it. Along the straight; just keeping the car dead straight on exit (rather than starting the diagonal) will mean that you're quicker through the straight. It's just a question of whether that time gain on the straight, vs the sharper turn you'd have to make to switch lanes nearer the braking zone IMO.

miniscule time gain. we are talking maybe 1 car length at tops if you compare one who sticks to the left instead of tracking over to the right after exit.

Then you have the marble thing, you can only go straight for so long until you start to run into marbles.

And then you have the chance of unsettling the car by swerving across the road last minute.

[raymondu999]

Again - this is assuming equal grip across the track, and equal bumps (ie the only differentiation is the line)

[Nando]

And the words still stand. There are no gains by going straight ahead then when you get close, swerve over to the other side.
You just increase the chance of messing up the braking and entry to the following corner.

[N12ck]

And the words still stand. There are no gains by going straight ahead then when you get close, swerve over to the other side.
You just increase the chance of messing up the braking and entry to the following corner.

+1 this is what I have been trying to say all along

[N12ck]

N12ck, you have a lap record on one track, I've tested with Super One drivers and formula Renault drivers and they widely use the accepted racing line and still gap everyone else. You're too busy blowing your own trumpet to notice where you can probably gain more time....


Back on topic, just keep the inputs as low as possible for me. Be on the power as early as possible and slowly move across track although in F1 they seem to just stick to one side then dart into the braking zone after turning. Although (this might not apply to cars) but braking towards the outside of the circuit feels like it's giving you a bit longer on the power before you turn in, which is hard to explain.

I'll make it clear however that I started racing this september and am still learning

I have been in racing quite a long time, and what my point is I will use mostly the accepted racing line but I will test different lines which are different to others in practice and if they are faster I will use them regardless of if they are different to the s1 drivers lines-dont always accept their line as the best-however if it is then use it, if you dont try out different lines or if you just copy everyone else you wont be any faster than them, you will only get as fast as them - this is what I was trying to say.

I do have a lap record, and I have tested all sorts of ways of exiting corners going into another breaking zone Ill give a quick run down:

1: keep straight and swerve very quick(can mess up braking and also means your speed is wrecked for the rest of the straight)

2: Gradually turn towards the next braking zone all the way down the straight (this harms the revs all the way down the straight and doesn't max out the revs)

3: Do all the turning to aim for the next braking zone at the previous corner this means while your putting the power down you are creating more track to drive on building up the revs (due to turning)(the fact Im turning doesnt make much of a difference to the revs as its in the low rev range) and then straight line it, so revs get maxed out, and at the end of the straight I find I have the highest revs and quickest time with this method, and Im on the turning in point and braking zone.

Nick

[Nando]

You have the exit and entry.

If you wanted to draw the most efficient line between those points, how would it look?
Considering momentum, traction and top speed.

My guess is a diagonal line right across the straight.

[N12ck]

You have the exit and entry.

If you wanted to draw the most efficient line between those points, how would it look?
Considering momentum, traction and top speed.

My guess is a diagonal line right across the straight.

Ill draw one out now

[Nando]

it wasn't aimed at you but sure i look forward to the illustration