Lotus E20 VD

[N12ck]

if it is a hole (which its not) it is ilegal, I have checked the regulations and there is no way it can be legal

Well, Mercedes' holes are consideres as legal ones.Why Lotus' holes would be then ilegal?

the hole isnt illegal if it is vertical, if it is flat/horizontal however then it is illegal

[Owen.C93]

I am not saying it is blowing the rear wing, i just want an explanation for the holes in the endplate, that are in the drawing you are quoteing up top, and also if they arent blowing the RW, then what is the strut going to the RW doing ? Since even there the drawing has a hole.

the duct from the rear wing is the signal duct (like putting your hand over the F duct ala 2010)

lets say it is a hole, the only way it can be legal is if it is in the vertical plane,

Its the same as mercs holes, no ? Not in the way they work but the way they are designed.

There are within the endplate zone (30mm or so) which does not have constant radius rules in place. Not to mention these hole have little effect when DRS is on or off.

[bhall]

Where is this idea coming from that any hole is illegal?

Opinion on DRS‐activated F‐Duct systems

CW: We think they’re going to be legal from what we’ve seen so far.

Why some teams are querying this

CW: Some teams are questioning it on the basis that they thought F‐Ducts were banned. F‐Ducts are

not banned. At the end of 2010 everyone was using driver operated F‐Ducts. The regulations that

were changed specifically banned the use of driver movement to influence the aerodynamic

performance of the car. This got rid of that generation of F‐Ducts.

Engineers, being unable to unlearn things, wanted to get the things back via different means. They

talked about allowing the opening and closing of a duct by having interaction with suspension. We

said no, you can’t do that, because it goes to the primary purpose of the suspension system.

There was a discussion in the TWG (Technical Working Group) at the beginning of the last year to

make sure this was clear. It seems that a couple of teams went away from that meeting with the

impression that F‐Ducts were therefore banned in general.

What some teams are doing now is allowing air to pass into a duct when the DRS is operated. It’s

completely passive, there are no moving parts and it doesn’t interact with any suspension or steering

systems. Therefore, I can’t see any rule that prohibits it.

[Huntresa]

Fukkn mystery hunt

[N12ck]

the rules say 20mm for the endplate, this 'hole' looks outside of that area

[N12ck]

Craig Scarborough ‏@ScarbsF1
@N15ck its not a hole, just a reflection, look at the similar odd reflection of the central slot gap seperator

[Huntresa]

To me the hole seems to be in the section between the endplate and the wing planes, that little section that teams are exploiting atm, or a few are, just between wing plane and endplate.

[Huntresa]

Craig Scarborough ‏@ScarbsF1
@N15ck its not a hole, just a reflection, look at the similar odd reflection of the central slot gap seperator

Once again, a HOLE cant create a shadow, and certianly not one that is blacker then the actual shadow of the material around the hole that is the acuator.

Also why is he saying its not a hole ? He has the hole in his drawing.

[MarkedOne8]

Maybe we should count on legal margin of error.I don't know exact value for MOR, but someone has to check that.That hole is legal, but as N12ck says, it doesn't have a constant radius.It's like lasso or elipse shape.

[Owen.C93]

Craig Scarborough ‏@ScarbsF1
@N15ck its not a hole, just a reflection, look at the similar odd reflection of the central slot gap seperator

You can see the hole in the image I posted at the top of the last page. You can also see the duct you said was blowing the diffuser was on the standard lotus as well early in the thread, that you also ignored.

[Huntresa]

Craig Scarborough ‏@ScarbsF1
@N15ck its not a hole, just a reflection, look at the similar odd reflection of the central slot gap seperator

You can see the hole in the image I posted at the top of the last page. You can also see the duct you said was blowing the diffuser was on the standard lotus as well early in the thread, that you also ignored.

Yeah your image is the best one since its half the hole and from another angle so not a reflection again.

[bhall]

So maybe it's not a hole.
[See below]

[MarkedOne8]

Scarbs is for sure one of the best ones for this job, but he is human.He can make mistake just as every one of us can.No?

It is not reflection.There must be a PERFECT source of light on the other side.IT IS A HOLE.

[Huntresa]

A hole cant create a shadow, as in the area that is the hole cant make a shadow, ofc the parts around can but the actual hole cant make something darker since it lets light thru, like the DRS actuator does.

[N12ck]

Craig Scarborough ‏@ScarbsF1
@N15ck its not a hole, just a reflection, look at the similar odd reflection of the central slot gap seperator

You can see the hole in the image I posted at the top of the last page. You can also see the duct you said was blowing the diffuser was on the standard lotus as well early in the thread, that you also ignored.

I didnt, I responded saying the outlet may be somewhere else by the diffuser, also is this a witchunt or something, it feels like it