Maria de Villotta injured in testing

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thearmofbarlow wrote:
Cam wrote:There is no room in testing high risk equipment (of any kind) for PR stunts. Period.
It's a --- car. Seriously, we're not talking about a robotic cactus with acid-pissing honey badgers taped to it. It's a car. She is a professional race driver.
A very expensive car and in testing mode - experimental. When we perform testing, we require proven veterans who have encountered a myriad of situations. They are experts. One step above professional.

They don't ask peofessional pilots to fly new planes, they get test pilots. For a reason.

What this drivers abilities are, I do not know. She may be suitably qualified.
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I for one am happy she is recovering.

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Cam wrote:A very expensive car and in testing mode - experimental. When we perform testing, we require proven veterans who have encountered a myriad of situations. They are experts. One step above professional.

They don't ask peofessional pilots to fly new planes, they get test pilots. For a reason.

What this drivers abilities are, I do not know. She may be suitably qualified.
Everyone has a first time behind the wheel. If a straight line test isn't the most sensible venue for a driver's debut, what is?

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I thought they were testing new parts? If they weren't, then agreed, a controlled test in any stock proven equipment is the right method. I was under the assumption there was actual vehicle testing occurring, which I think, has different considerations.
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The skill required for this testing is to drive in a straight line at a constant speed. That's all the regs will allow, so the question of experience comes down to the ability to manoeuvre in the pit area.

Considering the teams let celebrities have a go behind the wheel (for example Tom Cruise & Richard Hammond), I can't see how we can criticise a proven race driver.

The team say it was not a mechanical fault in the car. So the options would be:

- Moment of confusion by de Villota (the inexperience argument)
- Moment of illness by de Villota (bad luck)
- Poor ergonomic design making it easy for a less experienced driver to hit the wrong button (bad design)

As a completely separate issue, should the team have considered the possibility of a car lurching forward and ensured the path was protected? Do other teams take greater precautions? The other testing videos posted in this thread don't seem to be much safer with people and equipment in the path of a potential run away car.

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We cannot compare the scenario with others that looked more dangerous it is a fact it happened right there with Maria.
The car hit a half down tailgate ...which is a no go for anyone in the transport business .A gate is either closed or fully down to the ground when no loading of the truck is going on -which is surely not on the agenda when the car is just returning from the track.
I think it was really a bad layout of the pit area , workarea how they positioned their equipment and of course a mishap by the driver ..but then Kobayashi and other really good drivers have dropped the ball as well..

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Sadly it was down to driver error,,Though I still maintain that the height at which the tailgate was at and the angle she came in at combined to make it, the tailgate, all but invisible to her.
Marussia has ruled out a problem with its car as the cause of Maria De Villota’s recent testing accident, after concluding its own investigation into what happened.

De Villota lost her right eye and suffered facial and head injuries in the incident at Duxford, when she crashed at slow speed in to the back of a truck as she conducted straight-line aerodynamic work.

Although the specific reason of what caused the accident has not been confirmed yet Marussia has revealed via a statement this morning that the crash was not caused by a failure on the car.

The team issued the below statement on their website: “14 days after Maria De Villota’s accident at Duxford Airfield, the Marussia F1 Team has now completed its own detailed investigation into the cause of the crash.

The accident occurred on 3 July during a straight-line test, at which Maria was making her testing debut for the Team and driving an F1 car for the fourth time in her career.

The Marussia F1 Team conducted an initial analysis immediately after the crash. This aimed to identify the causes and contributory factors behind the accident and also served to determine if there were any car-related implications for the impending British Grand Prix. Having carefully examined all the data and supplementary information available at that time, the Team were satisfied that there were no such car-related issues and cleared its chassis for race weekend participation.

Following its initial investigation, the Team proceeded to carry out further detailed analysis of the accident. An external forensic investigation was commissioned and carried out at Duxford Airfield (a FIA-approved and much used testing venue, compliant with the recommendations for a test of this nature) and with the team at the Marussia Technical Centre in Banbury. This external analysis has been carried out autonomously of the team’s own internal investigation.

As would be normal procedure, the Team’s findings have been shared with the Health & Safety Executive (HSE), the independent UK regulator which acts in the public interest in respect of work-related accidents.”

John Booth, Team Principal of the Marussia F1 Team, commented: “We are satisfied that the findings of our internal investigation exclude the car as a factor in the accident. We have shared and discussed our findings with the HSE for their consideration as part of their ongoing investigation. This has been a necessarily thorough process in order to understand the cause of the accident. We have now concluded our investigatory work and can again focus on the priority, which continues to be Maria’s wellbeing. In that regard, we continue to support Maria and the De Villota family in any way we can.”

De Villota’s condition has improved steadily in the last two weeks and she is now out of sedation in hospital and able to talk to her family as she continues her recovery.
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Maria is out of hospital and back in Spain, great news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18937315
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Marussia stating the car was not at fault is in no way putting the blame strictly at Marias door .
Fact is -she crashed into the half down tailgate of the truck ,which is in no ways acceptable practise for anyone in any professional environment .Safetey instructions always mandate to have a tailgate either fully closed or fully open and the
tailgate being secured .
I´m absolutely sure it is strictly forbidden to leave the tailgatelift in a inbetween position unobeseved =the operator has to
have his hands (or feet -if standing on the lift)to the controls in case of leaving secure positions of the lift.
Obviously you would not lift or open the gate with a car approaching your security area.

Also it is rather obvious that especially in straightline testing with little braking and drivers not familiar with the equipment you would act with even more precaution-especially when knowing that even the best drivers do get it wrong occasionally approaching their pitslot...

I think the Marussia statement was not intended to put the blame on Maria but more to tell the world the car is not a security risk on track acting unexpected due to malfunctions .

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Soooo Glocks engine got stuck at full throttle, is this just a coincidence or did they cover up what happened with Maria? They seemed to know what was the problem pretty fast.

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Well ...Glock was very tightlipped about what happened and referred to something like a potentiometer failing....if they really have the throttle failsafe to full wot that wouldbe really something...
But one should not wildly speculate.FIA will look into this?

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Is there a FIA representative at tests incase of an accident? or are teams left to do as they please while a test is happening? If there is maybe they could compare data between both events.

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All I know is that:

-a test driver inexplicably deciding she wanted to almost decapitate herself by accelerating into a low shelf when she was supposed to be coming to a stop

and

-a race day driver inexplicably getting unwanted bursts of acceleration under braking

are two situations far too similar for nobody to raise an eyebrow.

All you have to do is picture the door lift of a lorry parked in the run off area where Glock had to fully lock all his wheels to get his car to finally stop moving and it could easily have been a similar result.

Or imagine there was a crashed car.....or a marshal.....or a car being lifted by a crane that was at Timo's head height and its not hard to imagine that this same technical fault could easily be either the same or very similar to what cost Maria her eye.

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María will give a press conference tomorrow. She has been seen in the cover of Hola magazine

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She looks nice and happy in the picture, but you never know the amount of photoshop and her real feelings.