Michelin Coming Back?

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SeijaKessen
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Jersey Tom wrote:
SeijaKessen wrote:The more regulated budgets and restrictions are, the less likely we are to see creativity in any form since there is less to work with.
Couldn't disagree more. Varied and interesting solutions are a function of the rule book, not budget. Want to see creative "racecar" engineering? Go to a Formula SAE / Formula Student event. Budget is on the order of $25,000 a year probably, on average, and you'll see as varied and creatively designed cars as you can imagine (not always the BEST ideas but they're certainly varied). Steel frames vs monocoques, aero package vs no aero package, different suspension topologies, different engine displacements and configurations, etc. And they're all capable of winning!

For some time now I've been a proponent of tightening up F1 budgets to make the series more accessible to a broader field, and open up the rule book in areas to encourage a larger variety of engineering approaches. Unlimited KERS, unlimited engine displacement and configuration (cylinders, NA vs FI..) with a fixed quantity of fuel available for a weekend. You'd see some interesting stuff then.
F1 has always been a domain for a select few as opposed to a broader field. Tightening up the budgets is near impossible to police. I don't know if you saw what Frank Williams had to say about budget limits in F1. he said --I'm paraphrasing here-- that there should be no budget caps, but that it's up to the teams to be cost-effective in their approaches to fielding a team. Besides, it's already been proven you do not need to spend $500 million for results; all the departed automotive manufacturers proved how stupid that approach was.

I do agree with you on the need to open up the rule book. No disagreement on that. The lack of an open rule book is what has allowed Le Mans to surpass F1 for any sort of real technological innovation. The gap is only going to get larger since we've already gotten to the point where creative interpretation of the rule book is the only real advantage left. Even at that it's dependent on how the FIA sees it. I would definitely like to see a wider variety of creative approaches in design allowed for, as opposed to a bunch of gimmicks like DRS and garbage tires.

Anyway this is too far off topic now, so I'll leave it at that.

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Why dont we end this misery and ask teams or suppliers to make car specific tyres which has to follwo certain rules and giudlines about contact area, material, and softness and sidewall strength?

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siskue2005 wrote:Why dont we end this misery and ask teams or suppliers to make car specific tyres which has to follwo certain rules and giudlines about contact area, material, and softness and sidewall strength?
And who would specify this? Not the FIA or teams, they wouldn't have a clue.
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Good point. Why couldn't an advisory group, formed of experience people (like yourself JT who are in the game), make some of these calls? Industry professionals make the rules, FIA police them. Solution?
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I have said for ages that the FIA should work with the tire companies to come up with what you might call a spec compound that whatever company the car teams could convince to work with them could play with to create a tire for said car.
I suspect though that not many if any tire companies would be interested because it would be a lot of expense for a very limited advertising exposure
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Jersey Tom wrote:
siskue2005 wrote:Why dont we end this misery and ask teams or suppliers to make car specific tyres which has to follwo certain rules and giudlines about contact area, material, and softness and sidewall strength?
And who would specify this? Not the FIA or teams, they wouldn't have a clue.
The same way as FIA specifies the entire car designs, engines , tyres etc

I mean they could specify tyre width, height, contact area, materials used

And we could end this charade of " tyre not working in our car" BS

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siskue2005 wrote:And we could end this charade of " tyre not working in our car" BS
Yeah, I think that's the crux there, Pirelli (deserved or not) will forever be the scapegoat of bad performance because they have made deliberately weird tyres. Remove that and the teams have a level field. If your car doesn't perform, well, its the car simple.
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