2012 Italian Grand Prix - Monza

[Redragon]

Checked the video from the start. The difference between both incidents is Vettel screwed up on the entrance of the turn. From the start Alonso is ahead of Diresta and does not mistakes, so is Diresta who decide to pass him on the outside. On Vettel-Alonso, Alonso avoids Vettel as he is too slow and found himself on trouble avoiding the crash

Could you kindly point out what that has to do with the rules or the reasons given for Vettel's penalty?

They checked the telemetry and based on the telemetry they decided to punish.

I agree based on the rules, both should have been penalized on both cases.

But I want to point out, Alosnso doesn't slow done, it is Diresta who decide to take risk and go through outside catching by surprise Alonso

On Vettel-Alonso incident Vettel slows down as he screw up, Alonso is force to go outside (he could have gone inside but he had fractions second to react). Vettel from the begnning of the turn knows he screwed up and intentionally goes as much as outside possible knowing alonso is going to try to pass him. That's why I see it is a fair decision because he decided to force him to go outside.

On Diresta-Alonso, applying the rules should also have been also penalized but it was not intentionally. And that's for me the difference between both cases.

[SeijaKessen]

Alonso never tried to force Di Resta off the track.

I rewatched it just now, Alonso never moved towards the outside the way Vettel did.

[bhall]

Not for nothing, but Vettel's drive-through likely prolonged his race in much the same way the safety car period did in Valencia.

[beelsebob]

Alonso never tried to force Di Resta off the track.

I rewatched it just now, Alonso never moved towards the outside the way Vettel did.

If alonso never forced DiResta off the track, how is Alonso closer than 1 car width to the edge of the track in the above screen grab?

[zyphro]

Also this:



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Now the big question is, why they applied drive through to Vettel and no Alonso for this one?

Both should have been penalized at the end. Maybe the fact it was the first turns is the answer as we know always at the beginning finished a car on the grass as it is tight and nonone wants to lose a position

Checked the video from the start. The difference between both incidents is Vettel screwed up on the entrance of the turn. From the start Alonso is ahead of Diresta and does not mistakes, so is Diresta who decide to pass him on the outside. On Vettel-Alonso, Alonso avoids Vettel as he is too slow and found himself on trouble avoiding the crash

The fact of the matter is: it wasn't even investigated. Why is that?

[foxmulder_ms]

Vettel penalty was not fair INMO. Formula 1 is turning into a child play. What Alonso did at the start of the race to Force India car or last year to Vettel is absolutely not different than what Vettel did to him. Shame on double standards.

[Gerhard Berger]

Would like to see an on board from Di Resta for that.

[NathanOlder]

Ferrari in Italy. Doesnt take much to work out.

[windwaves]

They're Italians. Everything Italian is the best according to an Italian. If Ferrari get's beat, its because of some great conspiracy. Of course I'm generalising, but having spent time in Italy...there are 4 things you dont mess with.... Their pasta, Mama, Fashion and Ferrari.

Not to be rude...but I find your comment offensive.

Generalising a race/culture is a big no no...especially on this forum.

offensive ?? he is saying the truth, have respect for that.

He did however forget something as huge as soccer in the list of things you don't mess with. That, sadly, is indeed a very good representation of my country

[zyphro]

He did however forget something as huge as soccer in the list of things you don't mess with.

And the corruption that comes with it?

[windwaves]

He did however forget something as huge as soccer in the list of things you don't mess with.

And the corruption that comes with it?

bravissimo !!

[radosav]

about vettel , he is a bit spoiled hypocrite. he tries to make impression that he wouldn't act like fernando , and ask for penalty, but that isn't exactly the truth.
he said that he wasn't complaining last year accident in monza with fernando, but he did complain and spoke about it all year.
he complained on many drivers in similar situations, like this situation in spa 2010. with kubica. http://www.wat.tv/video/gp-f1-belgique- ... fh4r_.html
http://www.mototube.pl/film/8655/vettel ... lgii-2010/
kubica left enough space , but he couldn't handle the situation and panicked, and cried.

[andartop]

I would have thought if there was ground for a penalty in the Alonso - Di Resta "incident" Force India would have brought it to the stewards' attention themselves, rather than wait for a bunch of armchair specialists to moan about it in on the internet.

We have seen numerous examples of drivers breaking the rules and getting away with it, and the other way around, with Vettel or Hamilton, to name a few, having benefited significantly from it, without any BS about Red Bull or McLaren favoritism, so why does it have to be about all about Ferrari every time a Ferrari driver is involved? Either way, Alonso was already past Vettel when Vettel got the penalty, so maybe, just maybe, it was another example of the usual stewards' spin of the wheel of fortune to decide whether a punishment is appropriate or not?

[raymondu999]

he said that he wasn't complaining last year accident in monza with fernando, but he did complain and spoke about it all year.

I remember him joking about it in press conferences, but never complaining about it.

[radosav]

he said that he wasn't complaining last year accident in monza with fernando, but he did complain and spoke about it all year.

I remember him joking about it in press conferences, but never complaining about it.

he spoke about it whole year , it is worse than complaining. if he complained it would last week or two and it would be over.
he always makes jokes how alonso didn't left enough room, etc.
alonso did push him, not as much as he pushed alonso , but it was for DT penalty by today's rule book.
but vettel one week after the race in monza 2011 had an interveiw where he said, when he was asked about his fantastic overtake move on alonso, that alonso didn't leave much space on outside but he decided to go for it and drive over the grass, which means he intentionally went on grass. he changed his story . it was about 1:00.
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