Schumacher Retires (again)

[SeijaKessen]

they found launch control in the software not traction control.

many "journalists" decided to call it traction control in their articles even though the fia never said that.

schumacher had a few bad starts that year so its questionable wether they did use it based on video evidence and if they did was it any good?

the best start of that year by miles was one of hills

You do know there was knob for traction control adjustment in the B194?

[Richard]

We probably need to move on from "he cheated", "no he didn't", "yes he did". We've done that before ... viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7976 and viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8564

[Ganxxta]

Well well the old man is faster than his younger Teammate... again...

Yeah I would have sacked him also if I would be Mercedes...

[Macxtor]

It was a good decision to quit!

OMG! Both Mercedes cars out at Suzuka, MSC was atleast faster and ahead of ROS. The w03 cars must have some serious problems wih downforce. Both drivers ran their cars over the limit and didn´t get to Q3. They got totally knocked out in Q2!! MSC looked very angry after the quali..... I feel with him.

Compare that with Vettel who drives in the "comfort zone". That car is SOOOO much faster than the crappy Mercedes w03.

MSC only chance to show his qualities are unfortunately only in ROC where they have similar cars.

//Mac

[Raptor22]

they found launch control in the software not traction control.

many "journalists" decided to call it traction control in their articles even though the fia never said that.

schumacher had a few bad starts that year so its questionable wether they did use it based on video evidence and if they did was it any good?

the best start of that year by miles was one of hills

You do know there was knob for traction control adjustment in the B194?

Once again the same BS doing the rounds. The knob in question was a diff adjustment. Get over it, move on

Insert picture of hillbilly beating dead horse

[Raptor22]

well he out qualifies Rosberg again but 10 place grid penalty will see him start 23rd.... [-o< for no mayhem come first corner

[marcush.]

Anyway, back to topic. Schumacher was an unique talent in F1 and unique in combining that talent with hard work year after year after year. He was merciless and relentless in pursuit of perfection. Combined with phenomenal engineering talent it was unbeatable. The trouble is that being unrelenting leads to a perception of a lack of humanity, and that makes a lot of enemies.

Apparently he donated at least fifty million dollars to charity from 2002 to 2006. I'll forgive a few on-track warts for that. Love the guy.

+1
And made no fuss about it.

Compare to other celebrities who use their status to promote their own image committing to charity ..Disgusting.

[Raptor22]

lets not forget his UNESCO work which never gets publicised.

[JACKSONVILLE]

Scumacher is a legend and a good man who the hell donates $10 million dollars of their own personal fortune to the tsunami victims??? He donated more than any other sportsmen that is a fact.

I THOUGHT ROSBERG WAS THE YOUNGER MAN WELL HE HAS BEEN OUT QUALIFIED AGAIN MY SCHUMI IN JAPAN AGAIN HE QUALIFIES 12TH TO ROSBERGS 14TH COME ON NOW.

[SeijaKessen]

they found launch control in the software not traction control.

many "journalists" decided to call it traction control in their articles even though the fia never said that.

schumacher had a few bad starts that year so its questionable wether they did use it based on video evidence and if they did was it any good?

the best start of that year by miles was one of hills

You do know there was knob for traction control adjustment in the B194?

Once again the same BS doing the rounds. The knob in question was a diff adjustment. Get over it, move on

Insert picture of hillbilly beating dead horse

Sorry, it's never going away no matter how much you may wish it did.

That era did more to bring F1 into disrepute than anything ever seen, and the effects are still being felt from it all.

Equally nice is how you ignore how one of the Benetton mechanics said years later that his car had everything but cruise control.

[SeijaKessen]

Schumacher's complicit behavior in the blatant cheating at Benetton --and yes Schumacher recently admitted he knew Benetton was cheating out of the ass but did nothing when it was actually happening-- may have resulted in Senna's death. That's what everyone likes to ignore.

[wesley123]

No it isnt that no one ignores that, it is that it is bullshit.

So what you are saying is that because Benetton cheated Senna crashed into the wall in Imola? That's pretty weird, one would think someone would crash because of a driver error or a problem with the car, not because another team removes the fuel cap on their fuel tanks and run illegal software.

[SeijaKessen]

No it isnt that no one ignores that, it is that it is bullshit.

So what you are saying is that because Benetton cheated Senna crashed into the wall in Imola? That's pretty weird, one would think someone would crash because of a driver error or a problem with the car, not because another team removes the fuel cap on their fuel tanks and run illegal software.

Senna knew Schumacher's car was illegal.

He died trying to outrun an illegal car...that's why the FIA was never going to admit the B-194 was actually running traction control. Can you imagine the liability they would open themselves up to if it was admitted that Senna was trying to outrun an illegal car at Imola? Why, you could make a rather easy case that he pushed his own car too hard trying to create a gap between himself and an illegal car.

[Raptor22]

its some weird American pseudo legal logicalese speak




(thats the pc phrase for BS btw)



The FIA al kinds of software on the Benetton. They also found all kinds of software on the McLaren, the Ferrari, the Williams, The Jordan etc etc etc.

Why? Because they were all cheating?
No because they all used carry over ECU's from 1993. deleting the software would have required new ECU's which would have added to the cost of the engines. So all the team merely disabled the banned stuff.

What Schumacher said was that Benetton was pushing the boundaries of the rules, not cheating. "Cheating" is one interpretation but in F1, everyone is bending the rules. That's how you find an advantage.....doh!
I think you should tell Rory Byrne to his face you think he's a cheat Seija. If theres one car Rory is very willling to talk about its the B194. Some of his best work that gets derided by imbeciles who can't understand how rule interpretation plays a role in F1.
And no it did not have traction control either. There were no feedback sensors to the car during race weekends.

[Raptor22]

No it isnt that no one ignores that, it is that it is bullshit.

So what you are saying is that because Benetton cheated Senna crashed into the wall in Imola? That's pretty weird, one would think someone would crash because of a driver error or a problem with the car, not because another team removes the fuel cap on their fuel tanks and run illegal software.

Senna knew Schumacher's car was illegal.

He died trying to outrun an illegal car...that's why the FIA was never going to admit the B-194 was actually running traction control. Can you imagine the liability they would open themselves up to if it was admitted that Senna was trying to outrun an illegal car at Imola? Why, you could make a rather easy case that he pushed his own car too hard trying to create a gap between himself and an illegal car.

Senna died trying to outrun an illegal car...?! =D> Ok you've found new depths to dig to.
That sentence is so stupid it does not require further discussion. Somehow free will must have turned illegal as well.