Red Bull RB9 Renault

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Guys, what do you think about tube or something at the center of splitter above the tea tray?

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Wow check out the flex on that front wing. Have other teams adopted this yet? It comes from flexing the nose?
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joeyg02 wrote:Out of all those Jerez pictures, I kept scrolling for a look at the diffuser. When I saw it I laughed. I'm thinking Red Bull is still holding their cards.
Yer, I think that's going to change at some point in the not-too-distant future.

In terms of the exhaust systems I think Lotus and Red Bull have it right. I was surprised Sauber dropped what they had. You really need to coax the exhaust gas to where you want it to go along the bodywork because the exhaust are such a long way from your intended target. The bodywork behind Red Bull's exhausts is completely seamless in a way that Lotus's isn't and I find the shape where it slopes away in three dimensions quite curious. Ferrari and McLaren seem to just be putting it into an area and I'm not sure that's going to yield as much further development.
I disagree. I think the RB Exhaust Pod works in the same way as the Mclaren one. The now very small ramp primarily exists to facilitate the tunnel. The ramp may help slightly to guide the exhaust gases but the mass flow will also lose energy against the ramp so the Net Loss/Gain over the Mclaren exhaust solution is probably nil. The tunnel however may be a different story. Mclaren attempts to create a sort of virtual tunnel by having the undercut sweep underneath the exhaust pod and all the way to the back of the gearbox. The Red Bull Tunnel is fully enclosed and it remains to be seen which is better. The Mclaren system will be prone to spillage and the RB system will cause the flow to lose energy as it travels through the tunnel. Again the net loss/gain is probably minimal although the Virtual Tunnel could be more susceptible to flow degradation in Yaw and maybe in pitch too but it would be negligable at high cornering speeds which is what these devices are intended to aid.
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McG wrote:
Wow check out the flex on that front wing. Have other teams adopted this yet? It comes from flexing the nose?
Looking at the position of the end plates, relative to the track, there is little twist evident.

The car is slightly loaded on the left hand side, and this , together with the shadows, may be giving you the wrong impression.

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Red Bull RB9 - Great rearward shot of the exhaust cross/under tunnels via SuttonImages

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Looks like it's only 1 tunnel with a vane (or it makes a sharp turn to the outside.)
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stefan_ wrote:Red Bull RB9 - Great rearward shot of the exhaust cross/under tunnels via SuttonImages

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It looks like from the exhaust wear on the floor that RB might be missing it's target on exhaust location a bit .. it should be running into the wheel cutout (my understanding) but looks like it's marching right along side the opening instead. You would think that it should suck right into that wheel cutout area but the flow is so strong that it's going straight back and up the diffuser/tunnel roof, from what I can see in this pic ..

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BreezyRacer wrote:
stefan_ wrote:Red Bull RB9 - Great rearward shot of the exhaust cross/under tunnels via SuttonImages

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It looks like from the exhaust wear on the floor that RB might be missing it's target on exhaust location a bit .. it should be running into the wheel cutout (my understanding) but looks like it's marching right along side the opening instead. You would think that it should suck right into that wheel cutout area but the flow is so strong that it's going straight back and up the diffuser/tunnel roof, from what I can see in this pic ..
From what i see its going along the diffuser edge, which is what its suppose to do

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Nice pics, you can even see the little tunnel drop down inside.

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I find it interesting that ever since Red Bull got the cross-under tunnel working for the first time in Valencia last year, they've been continuously shrinking the tunnel.
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So....who will be the first guy to jump over the pits and start pulling in the nose? :)

See if it´s made of jello this time too.
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