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[ajdavison2]

*mercedes Photoshop*

Be cool if you could put them next to the original?

[Mika1]

Isn't it a shame, how Merc have tried to claim the term "Silver Arrows" as their own? The original term was more generic and applied equally to Auto Union.

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It's not a shame, if you say ''silver arrow'' or '''silberpfeil'', everybody knows you refer to Mercedes.

[Cocles]

shopped

"silver"
http://i.imgur.com/UJORP1j.jpg

"chrome"
http://i.imgur.com/0Sqjjgc.jpg

VERY nice! The top one looks like Merc's Alubeam Silver, which I've been hoping they'd use for years now. Perhaps they finally are? We'll know in a few hours when photos start rolling in.

[Cocles]

Not sure if the winky smiley means you are being ironic ...

Yes, I was being ironic, but I still appreciate your post. I'd like to add to it though, since we're now being a little more serious. Even the story you posted is under dispute as are *all* Silver Arrow origin stories, because no one is entirely sure how the livery/nomenclature began. Auto Union fans tend to point to what you said, while Merc fans tend to point to either Neubauer's "explanation" or Von Brauchitsch's SSKL, which was supposedly the first to actually be referred to as a "Silberpfeil" by the radio announcers at the 1932 German Grand Prix at AVUS. Then you have the whole prewar/postwar angle to it. It ultimately doesn't matter though. Suffice it to say, I don't think there's a problem with any German marque painting their race cars silver.

Gilgen though is just trying to get the Merc fan's riled up. What's he going to say next? "Isn't it a shame, how Ferrari have tried to claim the color "Rosso Corsa" as their own? The original term was more generic and applied equally to Alfa Romeo."

I'm excited to see what the cars will look like this weekend!

[Leon]

*mercedes Photoshop*

Be cool if you could put them next to the original?

done bro check back

[ajdavison2]

Wicked! Love the chrome but I can't see them ever doing it because mclaren have kind of got dibs on that haha.

[Cocles]

Wicked! Love the chrome but I can't see them ever doing it because mclaren have kind of got dibs on that haha.

I agree. Plus chrome is not the same as silver.

Mercedes has a special silver paint color that typically only shows up on their prototypes called "Alubeam". It's a $13,000 option on the SLS. Some of the more technically minded might find it interesting as it's a type of metallic paint that uses incredibly small flakes of metal (nanoparticles?), which gives the car a permanent silver metallic "wet paint" look. I've been hoping Merc would begin using this color on their F1 cars for years.

[Pup]

The alubeam photos I've seen must not do it justice, because it just looks like dull silver to me. I had a Saab once that had a similar sounding sort of paint on the wheels - very fine texture and the effect was much like a bead-blasted aluminum, but brighter. Possibly the only nice thing on the car. The only problem was that the paint wasn't legal in the US, so if you needed them repainted you had to ship them off to Sweden.

But I'm curious now to see what they've come up with. I just hope it doesn't look too much like the Mac.

[bhall]

Isn't a consensus among the teams required to change the livery?

21.1 The provisions of the Code relating to national colours shall not apply to the Championship.

Both cars entered by a competitor must be presented in substantially the same livery at each Event, any change to this livery during a Championship season may only be made with the agreement of the Formula One Commission.

In order that the cars of each team may be easily distinguished from one another whilst they are on the track, the on board cameras located above the principal roll structure of the first car must remain as it is supplied to the team and the second car must be predominantly fluorescent yellow.

I guess it just depends on how much is changed.

[Cocles]

The alubeam photos I've seen must not do it justice, because it just looks like dull silver to me.

You're right, I was on an SLS forum recently and the owners who had paid for the Alubeam option said that photos don't always do it justice, but in person the paint looks permanently wet. "Painted with liquid metal", is what I kept reading.

Here's a photo that I think shows it off a bit:

[FoxHound]

Progress is the name of the game for Daimler.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22428532?

"If you look at what has worked in the past, even Benetton (in 1994-5), the glory days of Ferrari, the glory days of McLaren, you can see there was a group of people which could almost interact non-verbally with each other.They fitted them together, the engine was good, the driver was good, the chassis was solid.The management worked with each other, a good group of mechanics, a good group of engineers, good technical director, a creative mind in the design office and aero department and a good businessman and politician safeguarding all these guys from the nasty bits."

A collective group of talented engineers is what Mercedes are aiming for. Lowe coming in toward the end of the year, and apparently James Allison waiting in the wings to be announced by Mercedes(although some say Ferrari).
By all accounts, Mercedes improved competitiveness is down to the windtunnel change and also staffing changes.

W04 update#
As we will be seeing a new iteration of the exhaust in Barcelona, there is potential that it will help not only help with of the rear tyre degradation, but may be more efficient in terms of fuel usage. As a by product Mercedes will have less fuel mass at GP starts and possibly be more competitive in the first stint.

[aral]

Gilgen though is just trying to get the Merc fan's riled up. What's he going to say next? "Isn't it a shame, how Ferrari have tried to claim the color "Rosso Corsa" as their own? The original term was more generic and applied equally to Alfa Romeo."

Thanks for trying to second guess me! No, I was not trying to get the Merc fans riled up. I was pointing out that a team were trying to hi-jack a well known term, and use it to describe themselves. I also pointed out that even McLaren tried the same thing. Refer to the FOS when Auto Unions and Mercs ran together.......the entire collection was properly described as "Silver Arrows". Traditionalists know the difference.
As for Ferrari, there have been a number of changes in the red used, and the latest colours are used for TV purposes, but are not the traditional Ferrari colour. But I have never heard Ferrari claim the colour as their specific property, when it is just a generic term for a particular shade of red.

[stefan_]

Here is a truck and the motorhome in Spain today. Don't know if they're different in terms of colour to match the "new" livery of the cars.

[FoxHound]

I have never heard Mercedes claim to Silver being their specific property either.
They started out white, as most German teams did. Silver was never a colour choice from either Auto Union or Mercedes.
Most important here, is that you are disputing Mercedes use of silver and the term "Silver Arrows".

However, all the stories I have read seem to indicate that the Streamlined SSKL Mercedes was the first German race car to be referred to as "silberpfiele".

It since has been established that von Brauchitsch in 1932 had raced a streamlined SSKL on the AVUS which was called Silver Arrow in live radio coverage.

Traditionalists do indeed know the difference.

Further to this, Auto Union are non existent. Only one of the four rings remain in Audi as, Horsch, DKW and Wanderer no longer trade as automotive entities(if trading at all!).
So Audi have some history in using silver, but they where nowhere near as prevalent in the use of the colour either in inception(As I have shown you), nor in latter day in comparison to Mercedes-Benz. Hence why, when people refer to Mercedes as the "silver arrows", there is a direct linage to the reference of Mercedes.

The Neubauer story is probably BS by the way. But this actually pre-dates the Naubauer by 20 odd years.
I do hope this will assist you the next time you feel it is a "shame" for Mercedes to be referred to as the ...whisper it...silver arrows.

[gray41]

I think the motor home is new, certainly the paint job is.