Nico Rosberg has led the Monaco Grand Prix from start to finish to take a perfect win at the most prestigious race of the season. The Red Bull drivers complete the podium after an eventful race that saw many drivers eliminated.
I highly doubt it. The only time recently I remember a pass anywhere close to the front was the Shumi/Alonso controversy in 2010.(and that only happened because Alonso wasn't racing)godlameroso wrote:This might be one of those crazy Monaco GP where people actually make a pass on track as opposed to creating a train all race.
In which dictionary is the definition of merit: "Ferrari messed up 40% percent of the races held" ?Overdriving wrote:Vettel is leading the championship on merit. .Neno wrote: EDIT: Red Bull is fast car that is for sure. But their win's get from race with mixed conditions (when they need heat up tires quickly in one lap and run away), something similar like Ferrari last year. They obvious have problems with tires as they can't push enough in dry. Vettel for me is not leading championship, you need too take 7 points from his score, because those are Webber's points.
Well, it's hardly his concern or fault that Alonso and Ferrari royally messed up 40% percent of the races, isn't it? He didn't. If leading the championship in a car that is not the best in Q and the third best on the race days is not merit, then I don't know what is, and I'm saying this as a Kimi fan.Pierce89 wrote: In which dictionary is the definition of merit: "Ferrari royally messed up 40% percent of the races held" ?
Last year Alonso would not have scored as many points with his lousy car had the competition not "royally messed" up their races either. Yet he was praised for his outstanding performanceOverdriving wrote:Well, it's hardly his concern or fault that Alonso and Ferrari royally messed up 40% percent of the races, isn't it? He didn't. If leading the championship in a car that is not the best in Q and the third best on the race days is not merit, then I don't know what is, and I'm saying this as a Kimi fan.Pierce89 wrote: In which dictionary is the definition of merit: "Ferrari royally messed up 40% percent of the races held" ?
hey guys I propose you a deal: feel free to say that current F1 is awful, that tyres are garbage and so and so but PLEASE stop interpreting the profets of REAL RACING!henra wrote: I'm really shocked to see how happily People sacrifice real racing
I see what you're saying, but I'd be surprised if every team would not take the pole at Monaco if it was within their means to do so. Perhaps I'm wrong, but my understanding is that RB say they have the fastest car but are compromising qualifying pace because of tyre deg in the race - hence no poles in last three races.raymondu999 wrote:Actually, the tyre situation at Monza 2012 comes to mind. A one-stopper being marginal, Mercedes committed to a 2-stopper from the off. It could be perhaps that the Red Bull has been set up for a 1-stop. I don't think the situation is as clear a 1-stop as some people think (myself included, before the weekend)f1316 wrote:I would have thought that - IF RB do have all this downforce they're usually unable to use and IF their recent relative lack of quali pace compared to merc is due to having to set up the car for the race (at the cost of one lap speed) - this weekend would allow them to ignore these issues.
At Monaco they could set up the car to maximise the huge downforce they have, knowing that pole is most of the battle won. That seems like a no brainer.
So if they don't get pole, surely this idea of a superior red bull being held back more than others by tyres can be put to bed?
None. But Ferrari messing up is not to Vettel's merit - it is to Ferrari's DEmerit.Pierce89 wrote:In which dictionary is the definition of merit: "Ferrari messed up 40% percent of the races held" ?Overdriving wrote:Vettel is leading the championship on merit. .Neno wrote: EDIT: Red Bull is fast car that is for sure. But their win's get from race with mixed conditions (when they need heat up tires quickly in one lap and run away), something similar like Ferrari last year. They obvious have problems with tires as they can't push enough in dry. Vettel for me is not leading championship, you need too take 7 points from his score, because those are Webber's points.
Don't be daft. Alonso is a driving god amongst mere mortals. Vettel is at best a GP2 also ran. This has long since been established by F1 forum experts across the world.raymondu999 wrote:Is it really any different to Alonso's opportunistic 2012? If he was given merit for capitalising on others cocking up - should Vettel not be held to the same standard?
Yes, if your tyres are completely destroyed ovetaking is posible but very risky, especially where Lewis tried, in that precise moment Schumi behaved like a "good boy" giving some space, if not, a colllision was 100% sure.f1316 wrote:Oh and Lewis passed schumi two years ago cleanly ( with drs). Tyres were going off big time for the merc, but goes to show it is possible in that situation - even against the most determined defender
It's considerably different if you notice the fact that Ferrari 2012 was incomparably less competitive than Red Bull 2013. Although it pretty much renders drivers comparison useless, what exactly did Vettel do this season that resembled Alonso last year?raymondu999 wrote: Is it really any different to Alonso's opportunistic 2012? If he was given merit for capitalising on others cocking up - should Vettel not be held to the same standard? Sure the RB is probably not as bad - but in terms of capitalising on the opposition's brainfades, Vettel has probably driven to the same standard Alonso has last year.
