Kubica's Recovery

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zonk wrote:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-K6BwJh51zD0/U ... zory+3.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIuvwsQCIAIQrIC.jpg:large

http://sport.oe24.at/motorsport/Vettel- ... /103369618

..."With Hamilton and Nico Rosberg we have the best driver pairing" is convinced Lauda. "The two push each other forward positively. Our driver change has motivated the whole team, all newly inspired. "Last time also ex-Formula 1 driver Robert Kubica (POL) was employed for the tests in the simulator. He should relieve Hamilton and Rosberg. Lauda: "He brings a lot of experience. Due to the limited testing facilities, the simulators are becoming more important ". Conclusion: At Mercedes, it also seems to run smoothly without Vettel.
Thanks but it still is a bit weird - the current car for an outsider on short-term contract. I thought they had Schumacher for that. Why can't he do it?

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iotar__ wrote:Thanks but it still is a bit weird - the current car for an outsider on short-term contract. I thought they had Schumacher for that. Why can't he do it?
It was reported that Schumacher can't work on a simulator because of getting some sort of "sea sick" thing. But as for the first part of your question, it is indeed strange -- they have Sam Bird and Gary Paffett.

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Kubica simulator tester for Mercedes? That's great news! =D>
It's been a long time since we drove last time, but it has also been a short time at the same time
Roam Grosjean ponders the passing of time on the first day of testing at Jerez
February 5, 2013

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I look at that news skeptically knowing what is the difference between what news reporter was told and what writes. It is possible that Lauda told what everyone knows that Kubica had some tests in the Mercedes simulator. And then reporter wrote that Kubica is (will be?) Mercedes' test driver. So let's wait for some statement from Kubica himself.

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I thought Ant Davidson still did the Simulator testing for Merc, I swear he mentioned doing it the day before he was on Sky giving analysis.

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yallaf1 wrote:Kubica confirmed: “Yes, it’s true, I was there.

“But I will not tell you how many times I’ve been there or how many laps I did,” he is quoted by Speed Week correspondent Mathias Brunner.

“It’s not right that every time I am seen at Heathrow, I’m on the way to Brackley,” the 28-year-old insisted.

Kubica, contesting the second-tier world rally championship in 2013, has been out of Formula 1 since his near-fatal early 2011 rally crash, which has left him with restricted movement in his right arm.

The 2008 Canadian Grand Prix winner said his push to return to Formula 1 is going well.

“Driving at Barcelona would be possible now,” he is quoted as saying, “but not Monaco.”
source

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fans are patient:

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It's been a long time since we drove last time, but it has also been a short time at the same time
Roam Grosjean ponders the passing of time on the first day of testing at Jerez
February 5, 2013

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Robert Kubica - Test - Onboard - Tour de Corse - 13.05.2013
http://youtu.be/CNi3oDtomoE

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timbo wrote:
iotar__ wrote:Thanks but it still is a bit weird - the current car for an outsider on short-term contract. I thought they had Schumacher for that. Why can't he do it?
It was reported that Schumacher can't work on a simulator because of getting some sort of "sea sick" thing. But as for the first part of your question, it is indeed strange -- they have Sam Bird and Gary Paffett.
Oh yeah good point about Schumacher, Paffett is a McLaren sim driver I think, Bird may be too young and inexperienced but they have A. Davidson.

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Simulator work is not really something to develop the car ,it is more of a driver training and more so to get familiar with all the controls and random events when driving at speed on a busy raceweekend.
Even though the sustained (not peak) forces and accelerations are not even close to the realthing-you simply can´t do that .
This is the reason for the motion sickness ALL drivers feel .I heard about Alex Wurz spending days vomitting when developing the Mclaren Simulator and testing there .
No wonder guys like Raikkonnen and Schumacher don´t do it -there is just no benefit for them .for a newbie or someone who needs the repetition to master driving a car at the limit this maybe different
for Kubica it is of course worth the effort to see if he can physically drive the car.as the steering forces are realistic ,I´m sure.

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marcush. wrote:Simulator work is not really something to develop the car ,it is more of a driver training and more so to get familiar with all the controls and random events when driving at speed on a busy raceweekend.
Even though the sustained (not peak) forces and accelerations are not even close to the realthing-you simply can´t do that .
This is the reason for the motion sickness ALL drivers feel .I heard about Alex Wurz spending days vomitting when developing the Mclaren Simulator and testing there .
No wonder guys like Raikkonnen and Schumacher don´t do it -there is just no benefit for them .for a newbie or someone who needs the repetition to master driving a car at the limit this maybe different
for Kubica it is of course worth the effort to see if he can physically drive the car.as the steering forces are realistic ,I´m sure.
1. Raikkonen, Schumacher are exceptions not norm and it's not their choice but:
2. Agreed, simulator is less useful for drivers, maybe even marginally useful but:
3.Useful for a team and development of a car, if it wasn't no one would spend money and build them. Certainly not for young drivers, no one cares about them :P . I remember reading about it somewhere, here you go: J. Allison's explanation:
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-lo ... t-enstone/
The type of simulator that this article is referring to is a Driver in the Loop simulator. In many ways, such a simulator is similar to Lap Simulator described above. The key difference is that in place of a rudimentary mathematical model, a real driver provides the control inputs to drive a virtual car around a virtual lap.

Although there are a host of problems with using a real driver in place of a mathematical driver model, the real driver brings a capability to the simulation that cannot be matched by a computer model. The reasons for this are complex, but a simple explanation for this is as follows: It is not yet well understood precisely how a racing driver controls a racing car when the car is close to the limit of tyre grip.

A computer is capable of driving an unstable virtual car in a manner that the human driver would not be capable of. This difference between real driver and computer model driver leads the Lap Simulator approach to make serious errors in its recommended setups whenever the engineers are trying to assess changes in the driveability of the car.
“The Loop Simulator is able to make setup recommendations”

By inserting a real driver in the simulation (the so called "driver in the loop" approach) a team is able to bypass the difficulty of providing an accurate mathematical model of a human and the Driver in the Loop Simulator is able to make setup recommendations to improve the car that could never have emerged from the Lap Simulator approach.
In this, case Kubica/Mercedes, driver's benefits are obvious, team's not so much, they could have hired and used any driver they wanted - Davidson for example.

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In my humble opinion there's a good summary of simulators here :D :arrow: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... f=6&t=9363

There's 18 pages on the topic if you have time to read it all.

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marcush. wrote:Simulator work is not really something to develop the car ,it is more of a driver training and more so to get familiar with all the controls and random events when driving at speed on a busy raceweekend.
Even though the sustained (not peak) forces and accelerations are not even close to the realthing-you simply can´t do that .
This is the reason for the motion sickness ALL drivers feel .I heard about Alex Wurz spending days vomitting when developing the Mclaren Simulator and testing there .
No wonder guys like Raikkonnen and Schumacher don´t do it -there is just no benefit for them .for a newbie or someone who needs the repetition to master driving a car at the limit this maybe different
for Kubica it is of course worth the effort to see if he can physically drive the car.as the steering forces are realistic ,I´m sure.
All drivers don't feel motion sickness. I race spec BMW's and I used to race Formula Vee and I once rented time in a motion simulator to learn VIR. I got no motion sickness whatsoever.
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There is a slight possibility the simulator you rented was not QUITE as sophisticated as the quadrillion dollar devices used by the top teams..... :?

And if you want to know the quick way around VIR, I have a buddy who is an instructor there. I think he could be talked into a private lesson. He really knows his way around Oak Tree! :D
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