2013 Hungarian GP - Hungaroring

[raymondu999]

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How interesting. Car 3 is Alonso, is it not? Well as we discussed, he does have prior.. (Bahrain)

[myurr]

Or you know, Vettel might have been able to pass like Hamilton if he had the top speed of Hamilton, and stuff.

OK then my question becomes what did you expect Webber to do other than crash into Hamilton or something that earns him a penalty like blocking?
Hamilton just passed everyone really fast today. He's no Vettel :p

When did I say anything about Webber?
I comment on your uneducated stab at Vettel.

If Vettel had set up the car for a higher top speed then he would have been slower round the lap as a whole. Otherwise he would have set the car up for a higher top speed.

He chose a compromise, as did Hamilton, and he went for pole at the cost of the ability to race wheel to wheel. He missed pole, he failed to run in clear air at the front, he lost the race. Hamilton set up more for the race, expecting to be battling to keep cars behind him and confident of a decent qualifying if not pole position. He still managed to out drive Vettel and take pole, got a good start, and dominated from there on in.

Plus as others have said Hamilton's overtakes on Webber were nothing to do with top speed and everything to do with racecraft and ability to overtake. Button was the only pass due to top speed alone, and even there Vettel should still have had him through turn 3 like Hamilton did on Webber. But Vettel failed to pull the move.

[myurr]

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How interesting. Car 3 is Alonso, is it not? Well as we discussed, he does have prior.. (Bahrain)

Hmm interesting. I thought I also saw Button open DRS down the straight once when he shouldn't have been able to, but presumed that he'd passed a back marker into the final turn. Perhaps the whole system was on the blink?

[Mr Alcatraz]

Great race by "The Boss"

[piast9]

Isn't the DRS activation possibility enabled remotely by the race control?

[henra]

He chose a compromise, as did Hamilton, and he went for pole at the cost of the ability to race wheel to wheel. He missed pole, he failed to run in clear air at the front, he lost the race. Hamilton set up more for the race, expecting to be battling to keep cars behind him and confident of a decent qualifying if not pole position. He still managed to out drive Vettel and take pole, got a good start, and dominated from there on in.

Yup, exactly.
Not much to add.

I'm always puzzled why RB is still gambling so much even when they are leading WCC and WDC comfortably. A setup with a reasonable top speed probably wouldn't cost much lap time. Yet in an era of 2-4 pit stops the probability of getting at least temporarily stuck in traffic is actually quite high. On a track where overtaking is difficult anyway that means overtaking almost becomes impossible when you're lacking Top Speed. So even with the fastest car on track (which the RB potentially even wasn't today) you could easily lose the race with this difficulty to overtake. And as WDC leader you don't want to take too big risks when overtaking either.

[Just_a_fan]

Hmm interesting. I thought I also saw Button open DRS down the straight once when he shouldn't have been able to, but presumed that he'd passed a back marker into the final turn. Perhaps the whole system was on the blink?

Button was just behind a Marussia as they crossed the DRS detector line. The Marussia then pitted. The result was that Button got the benefit of the DRS because he had been within 1 second of a car as he crossed the detection line. Simple.

[henra]

More on this topic, I suspose Webber intentionally made it easy for Lewis today. He was passed twice by Lewis almost immediately when Lewis caught him and none were DRS moves due to RBR low top speed.

I think he would rather see a Lewis victory than a Vettel one

One could indeed have this impression

Anyway also in the past Webbo has often only shown his true fighting spirit when he was up against his Team Mate I guess he doesn't take anybody else really serious....

[sennafan24]

More on this topic, I suspose Webber intentionally made it easy for Lewis today. He was passed twice by Lewis almost immediately when Lewis caught him and none were DRS moves due to RBR low top speed.

I think he would rather see a Lewis victory than a Vettel one

This reads too much like a conspiracy theory for my liking. And before anyone says anything about Vettel/Webber conspiracies, I do not like those theories either. I have always thought that Vettel is simply a better driver than Webber, I would speculate the team pay more attention and care to Vettel's car these days, but that would be due to Vettel getting himself into Championship winning position and Webber not being able to do so.

Lewis is a excellent overtaker, the second overtake was far from easy for Lewis. Webber would have not given anyone a easy time over anyone else.

[QLDriver]

Isn't the DRS activation possibility enabled remotely by the race control?

Yes - apparently Ferrari forgot to change the setting between qualifying and the race, and were therefore fined. No penalty to Alonso.

[Guisson]

No Penalty For Alonso ..But Ferrari had to pay 15k which is a joke ...

[henra]

Yes - apparently Ferrari forgot to change the setting between qualifying and the race, and were therefore fined. No penalty to Alonso.

???
Why would the driver not be penalised in such a case? He would have also profited from it (albeit only little). In other cases they haven't been so nice to the drivers.
What would be the difference to a wrongly set pit speed limiter? In which case the driver will be penalised if it happens in the race.

[sennafan24]

Hamilton just passed everyone really fast today. He's no Vettel :p

Well last race Vettel dispatched Lewis pretty much as soon as he caught him but Lewis were stuck behind Hulkenberg for many laps

Does everything Lewis and Vettel do have to be compared to the other by fans? With no balance on either side.

[LionKing]

Hamilton just passed everyone really fast today. He's no Vettel :p

Well last race Vettel dispatched Lewis pretty much as soon as he caught him but Lewis were stuck behind Hulkenberg for many laps

Does everything Lewis and Vettel do have to be compared to the other by fans? With no balance on either side.

Yep exactly I was just responding to a dig at Vettel that is it....

[komninosm]

No Penalty For Alonso ..But Ferrari had to pay 15k which is a joke ...

Also no TV tonight and go to your room, you're grounded for 3 weeks (just in time for next race).

... After what they did to poor Grosjean they should at least remove all points from Ferrari for this race. Maybe the drivers could keep theirs, but a 30 second penalty at least to them too.