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Sebastian Vettel has won the Korean Grand Prix for the third time in a row, ahead of Raikkonen and Grosjean. Most attention however went to Pirelli who saw another tyre blow, to Mark Webber whose car went up in smoke and to a fire truck that briefly led the race.
There were other highlights. "Easily best"? Certainly not. And if someone thinks that Raikkonen had a great race (somewhere above) than let me ask you if -30s race is great.GitanesBlondes wrote:About the only redeeming quality of this race has been Hulkenberg defending against DRS.
He easily is having the best drive of the entire race, holding P4 for as long as he has when he has no business doing so.
? Alonso didn't have the car at all, Hamilton was a bit of a mess plus tyres or only tyres if you like him, Rosberg/Webber disappeared and of course safety cars. We know NH can defend, albeit stiffly, the question is can he overtake, nail the start or up the pace when it matters, it was tyre dependent race anyway that even two DRS zones couldn't save. A bit of old school, felt like mini 2008 - graining and big gaps .
not before driving through the run-off zone for turn 1...Ciro Pabón wrote:
Simple: I've never ever seen an exit that puts you right into the racing line.
Its just painful isn't it?Watching the "legends" of the sport such as Ferrari and McLaren get beaten by Coca Cola cars and Saubers (although Sauber has great history as well)...I am a McLaren fan for almost 17 years now and this makes me frustrated and sad to watch...However your reputation won't win you races,let alone championships and in the end of the day its the one who does the better job coming on top...Times go round but its been a long time past these glory days now.Sometimes i wish F1 was like GP2,as long as it stays the way it is there is always going to be someone dominating,name it RedBull/McLaren/Ferrari or whatever.Sad but true...max_speed wrote:what is that ferrari ? a car or bullock cart . if domencali has any self respect left he should resign . hulkenberg ws the highlight of today
What about the battle early on with Grosjean and Lewis, later on with e whole chase between Lewis, Alonso and yes Hulk but also between Lewis and Alonso themselves. The battle with the Perez etc resulting in Massas move up in position was also a highlight...GitanesBlondes wrote:Take away Hulk's drive and the entire race is a snoozefest.
This is the biggest pile of crap I have read in a long time.iotar__ wrote:What's with Lotus yapping? Are they trying convince anyone that they are honest racing team, perfectly knowing the pace (oh look you can race)? You're not fooling anyone you dishonest imbeciles . Marketing circus continues, you forgot that in Germany and in dozen other races.
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Now they will announce another "brilliant" comeback race with 30 s given free by SF.
Watch your language, reality and facts are again your problem? Which part is untrue: free 30 s (25? OK) or the fact that Raikkonen as usual had no business to be even close to podium and lucked into safety car? You know who's the better driver, it was a good race, after nailing qualy and start DRS overtake between safety cars happens especially with tyres and team like that, robbery like Germany on the other hand - a joke.stefan_ wrote:This is the biggest pile of crap I have read in a long time.iotar__ wrote:What's with Lotus yapping? Are they trying convince anyone that they are honest racing team, perfectly knowing the pace (oh look you can race)? You're not fooling anyone you dishonest imbeciles . Marketing circus continues, you forgot that in Germany and in dozen other races.
Edit:
Now they will announce another "brilliant" comeback race with 30 s given free by SF.
Anyway...
Hulkenberg did a brilliant race, he drove the wheels off that Sauber. Guttierez wasn't bad either.
Great race for Lotus, if it wasn't for that mistake Grosjean would have been 2nd.
I hope we won't get to Korea next year.
:yes its very sad , on one side you have drivers like alonso/hamilton/raikonen fighting their ass off throughout the race and there is vettel, who has to get off well at start ,race of 10-12 seconds , manage first two corners and race victory guaranteed. he makes comment that others drivers hang off their balls too early in pool , he got a extremely lucky ride in f1 , came to redbull and started sitting in race winning car but he does not know F1 is ruthless , luck will turn the table and then day he will sit in car at current level of ferrari tht day we will see wheteher can he fight till the end of championship or not, can score podiums or not. i guarantee tht even a blind man can score a podium in tht race car. i dnt curse redBull but i criticize ferrari/mclaren/Mercedes and Pirelli. i hate euphoria around vettel tht he is the best. if one has been following F1 since long , he knows adversities reflect champion not superior cars.Poleman wrote:Its just painful isn't it?Watching the "legends" of the sport such as Ferrari and McLaren get beaten by Coca Cola cars and Saubers (although Sauber has great history as well)...I am a McLaren fan for almost 17 years now and this makes me frustrated and sad to watch...However your reputation won't win you races,let alone championships and in the end of the day its the one who does the better job coming on top...Times go round but its been a long time past these glory days now.Sometimes i wish F1 was like GP2,as long as it stays the way it is there is always going to be someone dominating,name it RedBull/McLaren/Ferrari or whatever.Sad but true...max_speed wrote:what is that ferrari ? a car or bullock cart . if domencali has any self respect left he should resign . hulkenberg ws the highlight of today
LOLiotar__ wrote:Watch your language, reality and facts are again your problem? Which part is untrue: free 30 s (25? OK) or the fact that Raikkonen as usual had no business to be even close to podium and lucked into safety car? You know who's the better driver, it was a good race, after nailing qualy and start DRS overtake between safety cars happens especially with tyres and team like that, robbery like Germany on the other hand - a joke.stefan_ wrote:This is the biggest pile of crap I have read in a long time.iotar__ wrote:What's with Lotus yapping? Are they trying convince anyone that they are honest racing team, perfectly knowing the pace (oh look you can race)? You're not fooling anyone you dishonest imbeciles . Marketing circus continues, you forgot that in Germany and in dozen other races.
Edit:
Now they will announce another "brilliant" comeback race with 30 s given free by SF.
Anyway...
Hulkenberg did a brilliant race, he drove the wheels off that Sauber. Guttierez wasn't bad either.
Great race for Lotus, if it wasn't for that mistake Grosjean would have been 2nd.
I hope we won't get to Korea next year.
As for radio messages you can't pretend they didn't sound fake and messy. This hesitant "you can fight him(?)" from Komatsu and later tripping over each other to say it's a fair fight, knowing from tyre deg and sector times there will be not enough time even if DRS was formality. The fact they had to think about team orders says it all.
Anyway this is what "the team" has to say, safe bet is it's all as true as "split tyre strategy" also known as team orders and the safest way to not win the race in Germany, from experience lying is a force of habit at Lotus
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... -raikkonen
[previous quotes deletes, context is obvious]warwick wrote:
LOL
It is funny how you always single out Kimi, and turn everything against him. SCs are part of the game, and not only Kimi benefitted from them. He was P3 the monent first SC came, by his own doing. SC helped him to close the gap to the top 2, but so it did for the rest of the field. Others took the opportunity, others didn't. Gro made a mistake, and Kimi used it, yet you somehow seem to deem as negative thing?
SC affects the whole field, some benefit, some lose. But single out a driver from 22 others is just ridiculous.
It is not like the SC was ordered by the team.
I'm pretty sure had the situation been reversed between Kimi and Gro. You would have laughed here, how Kimi lost his certain P2 with fresher tyres and how embarrassing it was that after his mistake he begged for TO when he lost his cool and fell off the pace.
. Kubica had 30 much better races until some fake TV authorities patronizingly started to consider him a star and candidate for top seats. As Ferrari said, in his fourth season in F1 N.H. wouldn't be experienced nor good enough for them and that's the fact, see good Nico - sometimes marketing and results work for you and sometimes against.
