Ross Brawn leaves Mercedes

[CHT]

I'd love to see Brawn at Mclaren. We shall see. I hope he isn't done for good.

Once someone have been through being a team boss and shareholder, it will be difficult for him to continue as an employee of a company. And for man of his reputation, it will be extremely pressurizing for him to take up a new role in a new team as well.

my guess is he will act as a technical consultant and I think companies like Honda will be extremely keen to have him to help develop their 2015 engine.

[FoxHound]

Latest rumour is he may be heading to the FIA...after a lengthy spell of fishing.

[Manoah2u]

Actually manoah I'm a staunch defender of Ross Brawn.
Ask richard the esteemed moderator, and xpensive.

But the reality is he lets the brains of all the operations he's worked at, do the work.
Your rant is aimless, as it puts words in my mouth that I had not said or written.
Since when did I compare Ross Brawn to a cleaner?
I didn't.

I mentioned Briatore and Jordan as they both oversaw successful teams by letting the brains do the work.
Since when did I mention Peter Windsor?

The fact of the matter is Ross Brawn does not design cars in a fashion you are suggesting.
He is an overseer, a manager. A very good one I have said repeatedly.
I also made mention of the fact he is not the "go to" man to eek extra tenths out of a concept in the way Newey Byrne et al are.

You have love for the man, and his management record. I respect that.
But please don't say he is responsible for the successes.
That he had a part in it is undeniable, but he was not the mainstay.

ok, i thoroughly misunderstood then, my apologies.

[xpensive]

Latest rumour is he may be heading to the FIA...after a lengthy spell of fishing.

Replacing MrE's old...naah, don't go there, I can already hear richard's wrath...

[FoxHound]

Well x,

Brawn and Mr E haven't seen eye to eye for a few years now. The story goes that while mercedes where negotiating the new concorde deal, to which Brawn was party, Ecclestone insisted on dealing directly with Stuttgart.
To the point that even Brawn mediating on behalf of Stuttgart was declined. Lauda came in and finalised things on behalf of the moustached Dr Zetsche.

Now, this is where the current rumours gather some momentum.
MrE is currently deployed putting out fires on the financial front due to his previous dealings.
He cut Jean Todt a kipper with the pirelli deal, and has pressured him on other fronts too.

Who would Todt have as his right hand man?
His former right hand man, Brawn!

Can you imagine MrE being forced to deal directly with Brawn? What an elegant response from Mr Todt if its true.
Touche sir!

[xpensive]

My sentiments precisely Fox, I just didn't wish to print out my epithet for CW courtesy of our esteemed moderator,
while Ross the Toss as the FIA's technical whatever would also mean disarming any further disturbance from MrM.

A stroke of genius by MrT.

[FoxHound]

As soon as those salmon start losing their lustre, Brawn will no doubt reveal all.

[xpensive]

As soon as those salmon start losing their lustre, Brawn will no doubt reveal all.

As in smoked salmon Fox?

[Sevach]

just have a look at his record

At Benetton Rory Byrne and Pat Symonds where the force behind the success of the B194 and B195.
It is known that Brawn did not contribute technically to the car, but strategically on the pitwall.

Come on, Pat Symonds was Schumacher's race engineer, his job was to run the car the best it could, not develop it.

And of course Ross in the pitwall always took extra care for Schumacher, looking at every bit of data and being on the radio more than his actual race engineer (this extends to the Ferrari years).

Saying Symonds, who i have no axe to grind and did Brawn's job supperbly in the Alonso years, is more responsible for the success in 94/95 than Brawn is just wrong imo.

[xpensive]

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Come on, Pat Symonds was Schumacher's race engineer, his job was to run the car the best it could, not develop it.
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Which makes sense as Ross Brawn is not an engineer.

[Richard]

The successful TPs (or team managers in olden days) don't have graduate education. In reverse order the WCC TPs are - F3000 driver (Horner won a single point in 2 years), Rindt's spanner man (Dennis), atomic instrument apprentice (Brawn), ski instructor/bankrupt restaurateur/door-to-door insurance salesman/convicted fraudster/fugitive (Briatore), travelling grocery salesman (Williams), timber merchant (Tyrell), RAAF flight mechanic (Brabham), cosmetics factory manager (Dragoni) , bearings factory manager (Vandervell) and race mechanic (Cooper).

The exceptions are Ferrari who won all their WCC titles since 1974 with 3 business school graduates; Lotus who were led by a structural engineer graduate from UCL in London; and BRM led by Raymond Mays (Engineering at Christ College Cambridge).

So the lesson from history is that one should avoid graduates running a F1 team unless the car is red (or white and blue in North America). Merc swapping an apprentice for someone with even less higher education seems to be a good move.

Alas the runes are against Whitmarsh.

[FoxHound]

Symonds was head of research and development in that time.
He also has a masters degree in aero from cranfield university and studied at oxford polytechnic.

Ross brawn may have an honorary title somewhere, but he started off as a machinist so far as I'm aware.

[xpensive]

The successful TPs (or team managers in olden days) don't have graduate education. In reverse order the WCC TPs are - F3000 driver (Horner won a single point in 2 years), Rindt's spanner man (Dennis), atomic measurement apprentice (Brawn), bankrupt restaurateur (Briatorre), travelling grocery salesman (Williams), timber merchant (Tyrell), RAAF flight mechanic (Brabham), cosmetics factory manager (Dragoni) , bearings mechanic (Vanwall) and race mechanic (Cooper). I can't find who managed BRM.
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Not to forget Andrea Sasetti, a shoe peddler, but at this day and age, I doubt if Newey would trust me taking out the trash.

[autogyro]

What would McLaren possibly gain from hiring Brawn, everybody can see that Mercedes only came good when he was set aside?

Moreover, there's no way Ron Dennis would employ a MrM-protege after that 100 MUSD fine he slapped the team with.

Hmmm, a Mr M protege, well at least Ross was a fine milling machine operator.
Perhaps he will go to the FIA, the federation definitely needs some new blood before the French finally wreck it.

[sectionate]

I wouldn't be surprised if he put his feet up for a year and took some time out!