2014 Winter Testing - General

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FrukostScones
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astracrazy wrote:i'd be surprised if they don't follow it up again - even without the 3d. they done pretty well with there coverage and this time there will be lots more to talk about and follow. Its gonna be even more interesting
but most of pre season testing will be on a tiny desert island in the persian gulf.
I would be happy with timing information, but I have my doubts we'll get em.

for the downvoter of my earlier post, have fun with low accesiblity and low or no coverage!
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it won't be like the tire test - that was a "private test" so was closed to the public and journalists.

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astracrazy wrote:it won't be like the tire test - that was a "private test" so was closed to the public and journalists.
I never had the "secret/private" tire test on my mind.

F 1teams want to be left alone, where can they achieve this better in Bahrain or Spain.

Of course I hope I will be wrong with my dire prediction.
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i don't follow your reasoning for not even getting timing screens, sorry.

Bahrain is picked for the tyres not privacy. If they want privacy they can do it where they want and call it private and close the circuit doors....

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ok, could you please find out if spectators can visit the Bahrain tests, thank you!
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well i wouldn't be surprised if its closed to the public considering the political trouble there? But i don't see it being closed to journalists...

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Frukost what are you on about? This test will be among the first glimpses of the new engines, and you think zero media will show up? You're acting like the test is taking place in Antarctica. You do understand that a Grand Prix is run there every year with tons of media coverage, right?

Tickets for the test:
http://www.grandprixevents.com/testing

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Tim.Wright wrote:Because they can't.

Pistons - Mahle
Radiators - PWR
Electronics - McLaren
Brakes - Carbon industries
Clutch - AP Racing
Wheels - OZ
Tyres - Pirelli
etc etc etc...
similarly FIA could allow teams to get tyres from a supplier/company which they prefer, with ofcourse rules about material, shape and size etc etc

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BanMeToo wrote:Frukost what are you on about? This test will be among the first glimpses of the new engines, and you think zero media will show up? You're acting like the test is taking place in Antarctica. You do understand that a Grand Prix is run there every year with tons of media coverage, right?

Tickets for the test:
http://www.grandprixevents.com/testing
these are RB hospitality prices not reg prices (if they are any for Bahrain...).

a GP is very different to testing regarading the media presence.
Finishing races is important, but racing is more important.

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Diesel wrote: Those curbs were not new for this year (as far as I know), why didn't we see failures last season and the season before?
Lower the pressures and reverse the tyres left to right and vice versa and I'll bet my bottom dollar there would be blow ups.
Speculative, and my opinion there.
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FoxHound wrote:
Diesel wrote: Those curbs were not new for this year (as far as I know), why didn't we see failures last season and the season before?
Lower the pressures and reverse the tyres left to right and vice versa and I'll bet my bottom dollar there would be blow ups.
Speculative, and my opinion there.
Then why did Perez's tyre blow up? Mclaren followed the Pirelli prescribed set up.

Circular logic arguments never end. #-o

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Perez had a massive lockup that took all the compound off IIRC?

Running the tyres reverse-fitted caused a pinch point on the inboard rim (between rim and steel band) that the lower pressures and sharp curbs caused to, well, pinch. I thought that was the accepted story?
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flmkane wrote: However, the teams and drivers decided that it was Pirelli's fault to the extent that they were willing to boycott races until the tires were changed. You can rail against me however much you want, citing the evidence of the curbs and the teams usage of the tyres, but that would be a waste of your time. The teams decided that Pirelli tyres were unsuitable for F1 and it's as simple as that.
Huh? The teams decided, therefore it's fact? I decide that the sky is green, so now it's a fact, and you would just be wasting your time arguing with me. The teams may not have liked the tires, but to say the the teams decided it was Pirelli's fault is bogus.

FIA (moreso FOM?) wants a tire that degrades. When tires degrade, they lose stability. Whether there's no more tread and the cars spin around like on ice, or tires delaminate, or cars lose 10 seconds a lap, etc, there comes a point at which the tires are no longer driveable. That poses a safety risk no matter which way one looks at it, and that is a fundamental aspect of a component that is designed and regulated to FAIL. Yes, the FIA/FOM want tires that will degrade, meaning FAIL. How does one design a tire that will lose grip/degrade, yet still be safe and driveable at 300+ kmh? If it's always safe at 300kmh, then it hasn't degraded enough which means we're back to the bulletproof Bridgestones.

Pirelli has been given a task that virtually guarantees failure. They have been given a task by the FIA/FOM that is fundamentally false: To design a product that will safely fail while being pushed to the extreme limits by competition. Teams and drivers will always push the limits. People talk about driving to the limit but not past, and that is the trick about racing. But in that pursuit, you sometimes go over the limit and that's when sh*t happens. Is it the car's or driver's fault when a car spins off? The car's limit was too low but the driver pushed past the car's limit.

There's plenty of safe spec racing out there for those who can't handle a few tire blowouts. But then, those races aren't usually on global tv being watched by tens of millions...
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Circular logic?

You define it by your example.
Gridlock has given you the why. I'll repeat this, if you want to sit here and throw stones at Pirelli, with torches and pitchforks akimbo, do it. Whatever makes you happy my man.

But you better bring a whole load more stones than you anticipated as other suppliers have transgressed your sacred standards too.

No need to fan the flames any more flmkane.
Happy new year to you and let's all hope Schumi pulls through, hey?
JET set

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Gridlock wrote:Perez had a massive lockup that took all the compound off IIRC?
Nope, that was Korea.