Haas - American team in F1

[MOWOG]

Besides, anyone doing this in true American fashion would simply buy the whole series on credit and then impose his will with the help of purchased allied support. That's how we roll.

=D>

[aral]

Could be Haas Chrysler

Impossible! Despite Fiat owning Chrysler, Ferrari is a brand and there is no way that Ferrari would allow its engine to be branded as anything other than Ferrari.

[bhall]

You sure?

[FW17]

Could be Haas Chrysler

Impossible! Despite Fiat owning Chrysler, Ferrari is a brand and there is no way that Ferrari would allow its engine to be branded as anything other than Ferrari.

What was Petronas engine?

[Richard]

Haas is already very successful with four full time NASCAR teams so why is it so difficult to believe he will eventually become successful in F1? You folks like to make light of NASCAR but you should recall Red Bull tried with a team based here in the US and failed,

Your second sentence answers the first. That example illustrates the point that transferring between the formula is not easy. No one has successfully done it in the last few decades.

Furthermore it seems that successful new teams have always grown from inside the Nascar or F1 by purchasing an existing team, not starting from scratch. I'm happy to be proven wrong on that. Actually I'd prefer to be proven wrong because both sports would be richer for a broader geographic spread.

Toyota was the last team to start from scratch with a new F1 hub on the back of an existing motorsport hub in Cologne. That failed for a number of reasons some of which may not apply to Has, but it does illustrate the difficulties of assuming success can be easily transferred across formulas.

[FW17]

Toyota was the last team to start from scratch with a new F1 hub on the back of an existing motorsport hub in Cologne. That failed for a number of reasons some of which may not apply to Has, but it does illustrate the difficulties of assuming success can be easily transferred across formulas.

Red Bull benefited largely by the rule change in 2009, without that McLaren and Ferrari would have continued their domination. Toyota had everything but a superstar driver to anchor around.

[strad]

Always the same drum beat. Gets soooooo old.

[Cold Fussion]

without that McLaren and Ferrari would have continued their domination.

You have no way of knowing this.

[Pierce89]

Rubens was not competetive in Indycar. Neither was Bourdais, he won champ car championships. That said, neither Sato nor Bourdais ever drove a really competitive F1 car. Rubens at least posted wins and podiums during his Ferrari years, which is more than can be said for Webber at times.

Champ Car Series was the better series, it was the series that Mansell won in 93. The other series was the Indy Racing League (IRL) and wasnt as big. Then the 2 series merged in 2008. So Bordais won the better series of the time In my opinion.
This series was won by the likes of Villeneuve, Montoya , Mansell, Al Unser Jr, Giles de Feran, Paul Tracy, Bobby Rahal, Michael & Mario Andretti, Al Unser, Emo. And Sebastian Bordais is in this company 4 times in a row I must add.

The other series had Tony Stewart, Scott Dixon, Sam Hornish Jr.

You don't know what you're talking about Mansell won CART not Champ Car. Champ Car was the sorry remains of CART after it went bankrupt. When Bordais won his chamionships, the series had no depth of talent. Bourdais hasn't even won a race since the IRL gobbled up Champ Car to form the Indycar Series.

Summary: CART was awesome, IRL broke off. Cart went bankrupt. Champ Car bought CART out of bankruptcy, but many teams had already gone to the IRL so Champ Car was weak. After 2007, Champ Car was going bankrupt so the IRL bought them and combined the best teams and drivers of the two series to form the current ICS. So, Cart was good, Champ Car and IRL both sucked but ICS is good again.

[idfx]

impossible reality ?
"A great marketing strategy: two engines representing america.
Ford, GM, Dodge and chrysler. "

[Moxie]

impossible reality ?
"A great marketing strategy: two engines representing america.
Ford, GM, Dodge and chrysler. "

Since Dodge and Chrystler are both owned by Fiat, the same parent company as Ferrari, I would think it extremely unlikely that you will see either of those "American" brands in F1 anytime soon.

Ford, the one time dominant engine of F1 has been in and out of the sport over the years. Ford's close relationship with Cosworth suggest that this "American" brand can renter F1 at any time, by simply paying to brand the Cosworth as a Ford.

GM?.. I am not a real F1 historian, but with some research I've been doing over the past several weeks, I don't believe that any car that has finished in the top ten of any GP since 1974 has been powered by a GM engine. Frankly, while they have built a beautiful performance car with the new Corvette, and have had great success in sports car racing, I doubt GM would try to enter F1. In a post government bailout atmosphere, the audacity for GM to spend the kind of money to enter F1 might be too much for investors to bear.

[countersteer]

GM?

GM is currently partnered with Ilmor who supplies the Indycar engine carrying the Chevrolet brand. It would make sense that they would choose that path to enter F1 if they chose to do so. Any idea if Mario Illen has some sort of non-compete clause when the original Ilmor was bought out by Mercedes?

[NathanOlder]

You don't know what you're talking about Mansell won CART not Champ Car. Champ Car was the sorry remains of CART after it went bankrupt. When Bordais won his chamionships, the series had no depth of talent. Bourdais hasn't even won a race since the IRL gobbled up Champ Car to form the Indycar Series.

Am i not right in thinking Cart turned into Champ Car around 2002 time, Then it merged with the IRL in 2008 to make what we have today. So if any series was a continuation of the CART series from the 90's it has to be Champ Car. which is what Bourdais won.

Surely its similar to MotoGP. MotoGP only existed since 2002. Formally 500cc Grand Prix Motorcycle Racing. If a name change changes a series then Americans have only ever won 1 MotoGP title. But thats clearly not the case, so in my opinion Bourdais won the same series as Mansell, Andretti, Zanardi, Vasser, Montoya and Co.

[countersteer]

Report: Gene Haas set for meeting at Lotus next week

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Gene Haas is set to visit Lotus F1 Team’s base at Enstone in England next week with a possible view to buying the outfit, according to a report broken by Sky Sports today.


http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... next-week/

But this opportunity was available to him without trying to gain an additional team. ?

[FW17]

buying lotus equals marrying a whore