Haas - American team in F1

[FW17]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxT3j_3CpcQ[/youtube]

Why? He cannot use 100% models.

100% model testing is banned by FIA for F1 soon after Sauber built one in 2004

[Richard]

Haas new f1 factory nearing completion

Windshear wind tunnel is also bring modified to accommodate 100% and 60% models

Why? He cannot use 100% models.

I think the word "both" was missing, ie modified to accommodate both 100% and 60% models

I guess it means the Windshear tunnel is currently configured for 100% models, but it is going to be adapted so it can run 60% models for F1 while maintaining the 100% capability for other customers ?

[Rusty34]

Haas new f1 factory nearing completion



Windshear wind tunnel is also bring modified to accommodate 100% and 60% models

Why? He cannot use 100% models.

because it was designed to test NASCAR configurations which are all run at 100% and is currently very busy with that business

[Pierce89]

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We wouldn't want to end up with pretty boy threads like this http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... =1&t=18988

Now let's get back on topic.

That was one disturbing thread.

[huayra]

Will it be a new USF1?

[seinfeld]

I think I speak for every F1 fan. we want to see a full grid and more teams. But really what's the point if you are slower or on par with Catahram and Marussia. both of those teams I see as the most wasteful in F1. their owners have a dream to be in the best motorsport in the world, but dont wana spend the money. then cry foul its too expensive.

[GitanesBlondes]

Haas new f1 factory nearing completion

Windshear wind tunnel is also bring modified to accommodate 100% and 60% models

Why? He cannot use 100% models.

I think the word "both" was missing, ie modified to accommodate both 100% and 60% models

I guess it means the Windshear tunnel is currently configured for 100% models, but it is going to be adapted so it can run 60% models for F1 while maintaining the 100% capability for other customers ?

All I'm going to say is that I would suspect Haas will be running a 100% scale model in the wind tunnel. Last I looked, Paris isn't exactly right around the corner from North Carolina, and it's going to be really hard to know what is going on in that tunnel especially if access is highly restricted. The only reason to even have any US presence for a F1 team is to stay far away from the prying eyes of the Europeans when you are busy ignoring rules.

[countersteer]

The only reason to even have any US presence for a F1 team is to stay far away from the prying eyes of the Europeans when you are busy ignoring rules.

The only reason is to cheat? Really? wow...

[FW17]

guess scale models and 30/30 rules are not nonenforceable as budget caps

[iotar__]

guess scale models and 30/30 rules are not nonenforceable as budget caps

Cost cap is very much force-able that's why big teams that struggle to build decent cars despite huge budget+manpower advantage were opposing it (McL, Ferrari, others too). Reasons already presented: there's only so many areas you can throw money at in F1: personnel, facilities, some fancy R&D. Also: risk-reward. Biggest cheating in F1 is perfectly legal .

As for cheating using full scale model - IMO it's as much as possible as cheating with limits of CFD or wind tunnel usage currently imposed. Human element is the weak link. Let's say dozen of people is directly involved in illegal wind-tunnel testing, another dozen is working on designs based on illegal model, another dozen is indirectly involved but must suspect something. It takes only one person to get your team fined if you're McLaren or thrown out of F1 if you're American team. I suspect it costs more too.

[marcush.]

i just happen to read a Piece about the great formula 1 Designers and technical directors .Williams GPs rise back in the 70s was entirely a product of a longterm Engineering R&D decision taken by Patrick Head in the light of having not enough recources (Money) to take on the big Spenders with the same strategies .Head instead concentrated on Performance driving development ´only leaving other Areas untouched for longer periods .Interestingly this Approach led to them having cf Composite Tubs a fair bit later than others....If you want to compete and be competitive with less Money spent per year you have to find ways to Stretch your recources somehow so as to make it look bigger than it really is -creative thinking -build a car with double of your Budget pa and campaign it for two years for example could save a lot of Money ..

[FW17]

Renault 2005 had quiet a small budget in comparison to other teams, one or the reasons Alonso questioned their commitment even when they were willing the championship.

[thisisatest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxT3j_3CpcQ

Why? He cannot use 100% models.

100% model testing is banned by FIA for F1 soon after Sauber built one in 2004

i believe teams can trade one straight line test for 4 hours full scale wind tunnel testing.

[FW17]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxT3j_3CpcQ

Why? He cannot use 100% models.

100% model testing is banned by FIA for F1 soon after Sauber built one in 2004

i believe teams can trade one straight line test for 4 hours full scale wind tunnel testing.

I think that was up till last year when there were no in season tests. This year there are no straight line tests only promotional events.

[cossie]

back in 2012 Lotus flew the car here to the states for 100%. wind tunnel tests, cost them 4 straight line test's where Haas will have a big advantage in that he also makes 7 point rigger machine

E20 will be even quicker now' - Boullier
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Race: Spanish Grand Prix
Drivers: Eric Boullier
Teams: Lotus
Lotus team principal Eric Boullier is certain that the E20 will be quicker in Barcelona than it was in Bahrain following the mid-season Mugello test and a wind tunnel session.

As well as setting the fastest time of the week at Mugello, Lotus has been out completing a full-scale wind tunnel session at the Windshear facility in the United States. Boullier said that the data gathered in Italy coupled with the "positive results" in America meant the car has definitely improved, but by how much compared to the rest of the field is impossible to tell.

"Even when the weather wasn't great (in Mugello), we were able to try some combinations that we would not normally go for during a race weekend, as they take quite a lot of time to set up," Boullier said. "We've learned a lot about the car. Also, our Windshear session had given a lot of positive results. We know that the E20 will be even quicker now. But performance is a relative concept. Let's wait and see how our opponents have improved."

Looking ahead to Barcelona, Boullier was optimistic that the car would handle its tyres better than most of the field, but is concerned that temperatures may not be hot enough for the E20 to perform at its best.

"We've been able to look after our tyres quite well during the races so far but the Barcelona track is very abrasive, especially for the front left tyre. Maybe we'll do a better job than our rivals in this area. The only question mark is our performance relative to the temperature. A pattern started to emerge over the first four races, where we seemed to be more and more competitive in hot conditions. We'll see."


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