Haas - American team in F1

[xpensive]

Looks lke it will be 2016 for these guys

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns28137.html?

Dream on, it's a nice thought but it will never happen, we all know that.

[Rusty34]

NASCAR's a lot more technically advanced than you might think. HMS for example is highly specialized and has over 600 employees.

A 16 start makes far more sense than 15, a try for 15 at this stage would be impossible for anyone who has to finish building a complete facility and staff it and line up technical partners.

[FW17]

NASCAR's a lot more technically advanced than you might think. HMS for example is highly specialized and has over 600 employees.

A 16 start makes far more sense than 15, a try for 15 at this stage would be impossible for anyone who has to finish building a complete facility and staff it and line up technical partners.

HMS needs a lot more people than other teams as they are one of the teams that supply chassis to other teams like haas. They also build and rebuild all Chevrolet engines for NASCAR (that is 22 cars 34 engines each a season)

Finding mechanics, race engineers, strategist etc to work on F1 from NASCAR is not an issue, it is finding designers from nascar to do a f1 package which is next to impossible (or not advisable to try)

[FW17]

Looks lke it will be 2016 for these guys

[iotar__]

Apart from not being fully prepared for 2015 of course, there's no need to hurry, 2016 is one year closer to customer cars - the way they talked about association with a bigger team may suggest that. Kind of DTM F1 is top teams wet dream and for a kitcar you don't need European base and best aero people, assembly line should be enough . Re-badged Ferrari will cost less and marketing wise will serve its purpose, racing will be secondary of course.

I wonder if after engine/sound controversy mighty of F1 will probe public's acceptance for (fake) customer cars championship. I wouldn't hold my breath.

[FW17]

Apart from not being fully prepared for 2015 of course, there's no need to hurry, 2016 is one year closer to customer cars - the way they talked about association with a bigger team may suggest that. Kind of DTM F1 is top teams wet dream and for a kitcar you don't need European base and best aero people, assembly line should be enough . Re-badged Ferrari will cost less and marketing wise will serve its purpose, racing will be secondary of course.

I wonder if after engine/sound controversy mighty of F1 will probe public's acceptance for (fake) customer cars championship. I wouldn't hold my breath.

I dont understand customer cars (running a year old car), imagine ferrari has a --- box that finishes 6th in the constructors with 2 of the best drivers in the world, would Marrusia and Sauber want this --- box? or do they expect to switch works teams customer cars year after year?

[Moxie]

I think he was very clear in the press conference that he wants his NASCAR and F1 programs on the same campus, and made a pretty compelling case as to why that makes sense for him. I think that is certainly his prerogative. NASCAR teams are a lot more technical and there is a lot more technology in NASCAR than people realize...fabrication of a competitive NASCAR sled is no cakewalk.

Definitely true, the standards the cars are fabricated to is rather extreme.

A NASCAR race car is a steel structure with a composite body. Very little, if any, telemetry is used in NASCAR. With a couple of exceptions, the races are run counter-clockwise on banked ovals. The aero is designed for an environment where the cars run nose to tail most of the time.

This all is a far cry from a carbon fiber/ Kevlar crash structure with the engine acting as a major structural element, which races on various purpose built road courses and a few temporary city street courses. Unless he expects to turn the control of all of the aero updates to Dallara. He will need to have this experience under his own roof (which for that matter is still under construction).


I hope that in all of this, some of his NASCAR team members will get experience in the F1 arena, I have no doubt that they are up to the task of learning. NASCAR is a very different game, and learning takes time. It is no suprise to me that he has delayed his entry into F1 until 2016.

[Rusty34]

Correct, very little telemetry permitted during a NASCAR event but testing is a different matter. Wind tunnel data, 7 post test data and track testing data gets what you need for simulation. True, the tracks are mostly banked ovals but lengths and configurations do vary a lot and there are road course and short track events. You would not believe the amount of money thrown at steel wire valve spring R&D in order to survive at current power levels and engine speeds but the rules do not currently permit anything else.

Possibly of interest, there has recently been a small influx of former F1 engineers to NASCAR joining the engineering staffs of some of the larger teams

[countersteer]

You would not believe the amount of money thrown at steel wire valve spring R&D in order to survive at current power levels and engine speeds but the rules do not currently permit anything else.

9100 - 9200 rpm for 600 miles on a pushrod motor with a flat tappet and wire valve springs?!?!? Granted the design itself may be outdated but the technology to push it this far is astounding ! =D> =D> =D> =D>

[MOWOG]

That's really the point. NASCAR may be peddling furiously backwards trying to hold on to its moonshine runnin', good ol' boy roots, but the people doing the racing put as much time, effort, ingenuity and money into developing there cars within the confines of the admittedly dumb rules as possible.

Not everyone in NASCAR is named Cooter or has a father who is also his uncle. There are some very serious people involved and they bring serious money and effort to the sport. There's a reason why Jeff Gordon never made the switch to Formula One after that famous stint he did in a Williams at Indy. Quite simply, he couldn't afford to! The money sloshing around in NASCAR is enormous.

It's a shame NASCAR insists on acting like a bunch of hillbillies from Appalachia. Just as Formula One projects the absurd notion that it represents the pinnacle of motorsports, NASCAR carefully cultivates its image as a home grown, aw shucks, good ol' boy organization. But peel back that folksy veneer and you get quite a different picture.

[FW17]

What is so dumb about NASCAR rules?

[stephenwh]

Just as Formula One projects the absurd notion that it represents the pinnacle of motorsports

There is nothing absurd about that notion whatsoever. Fans have different preferences for different series for sure, but F1 is one of the top sports in the world which transcends auto racing in general. Comparing NASCAR to F1 is comparing a domestic series with a global series. So it would be like comparing DTM or Aussie v8.

[scuderiafan]

What is so dumb about NASCAR rules?

They're not F1 rules, of course.

/sarcasm

[MercedesAMGSpy]

Just as Formula One projects the absurd notion that it represents the pinnacle of motorsports, NASCAR carefully cultivates its image as a home grown, aw shucks, good ol' boy organization. But peel back that folksy veneer and you get quite a different picture.

Popular in the US, but not a global sport at all. F1 is.

[MOWOG]

My remarks have been misinterpreted. Whether or not F1 is a global sport has nothing whatsoever to do with whether it is head and shoulders above every other form of racing from a technological point of view. It is not but insists on saying it is.Many other racing series have hybrid power trains and allow far more latitude for the teams to innovate than F1 does.

To look at my remarks and make them into some sort of slur against Formula One smacks of fanboy prejudice. F1 SAYS it is the pinnacle of motorsports but that doesn't make it so. In many ways, it is only a legend in its own mind!