2014 British GP - Silverstone

[iotar__]

OK example because "expectation bias" from no action by FIA is strong, since there's no action nothing happened, if there's penalty something must have been wrong It's the last race of the season. Rosberg has 5 points lead. The one that wins the race wins WDC. Rosberg is leading, Hamilton's behind, Rosberg is struggling, he loses the car, runs wide but slams on the throttle when rejoining the track, loses the car and slams into Hamilton who was just passing (I would add and tyre decapitates Chilton but that would be different and cruel). Reaction - nothing, perhaps they should be advised in the future to be slightly more cautious.

[Waywardism]

The way the gearboxes work that particular chain of damage I suspect is triggered when Nico engages neutral then reengages the gears again.
That is why he only had the problem at the restart and after the pit stop. (every time he moves from neutral to drive).

I can't imagine Mercedes bringing Hamilton in for an unnecessary 2nd stop if that were the case.

But Hamilton didn't have any problem, did he?

No but teams are always paranoid about their remaining car when one has retired, especially when only 2 races ago both cars had exactly the same issue.

[FW17]

Was this he damage that Charlie stopped the race for an hour?

[SectorOne]

The way the gearboxes work that particular chain of damage I suspect is triggered when Nico engages neutral then reengages the gears again.
That is why he only had the problem at the restart and after the pit stop. (every time he moves from neutral to drive).

I can't imagine Mercedes bringing Hamilton in for an unnecessary 2nd stop if that were the case.

Unless of course this was the "tip" from Rosberg
Tires were good to last to the end, but inducing neutral was their last chance of hope.

(i´m joking obviously)

[RicerDude]

Was this he damage that Charlie stopped the race for an hour?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/7 ... arkson.png

These tire marks on the barrier are from the secondary impact. The first one actually uprooted one of the struts.

[SectorOne]

[iotar__]

OK I'll waste my life a bit to avoid it's "unsubstantiated claim". I put questionable/close ones to show it was done on purpose all the time:
1: defending against Bottas, off? 9
2. After Alonso overtaking him - you can question but off track + corner + gain (against Magnussen) forced? See: Gro-Mass
3. Very next lap hahaha - 9
Next lap Copse sadly we can't see
4 hahaha - 18
5 Another Copse?
6 Another - 18 now Alonso complains after 3 unquestionable off track
7 Close one?
8 Another - 18
Couple close ones in Copse somewhere in there(no screens)
9 Joke
10 Not 9, 18 but off=attempt=gain
11 Overtake itself, nice, another joke
6 unquestionable ones including 2(3) on overtake lap

[mikeerfol]

The radio transcript is published http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/07/09/2 ... um=twitter

FL Nico Rosberg Tony Ross Start was not so good. Was under-engaged, I think?

20 Nico Rosberg Tony Ross The first sign of the problem which eventually caused Rosberg’s retirement.
Gearbox problem on the downshift.

21 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg So we’re continuing to look at the problem, Nico. No information at the moment.

23 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg So, menu ten to one. Change to gearbox settings should be transparent. Menu ten to one.

30 Nico Rosberg Tony Ross Rosberg’s gearbox fails into Village, allowing Hamilton through into the lead.
Problem on the upshift at turn eight [Woodcote]
30 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg Copy, understood. We’re looking at it.
30 Nico Rosberg Tony Ross Consider slowing me down just to get me to the finish line?
30 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg Copy that, Nico. We will advise. No change at the moment on gearbox settings.
30 Nico Rosberg Tony Ross Cause I could stop shifting so much, if you need to.
30 Nico Rosberg Tony Ross OK, really having big problems with the gearbox so please advise. Staying in fifth gear at the moment. I lost it again on downshifting.
30 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg Some of these messages may not be in chronological order as they were edited differntly on different channels.
So Nico menu ten to eight and leave it in eight.
30 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg Stay in sixth, Nico. Stay in sixth.
30 Nico Rosberg Tony Ross Yeah, I don’t have drive at the moment.
30 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg If you don’t have drive, try shifting Nico.

31 Nico Rosberg Tony Ross OK, I’m trying everything. Anything else I can do?
31 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg OK, not at the moment. We’re still looking.
31 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg Driver default 01. Try driver default 01.
31 Nico Rosberg Tony Ross OK, anything else?
31 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg Stand by. So we’ve got about thirty seconds before we need to turn off, Nico…
31 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg Twenty seconds before we need to turn off…
31 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg OK, so stop stop. Turn off. Stop, stop. Turn off, Nico. Going to save the engine.

[SectorOne]

Nice, so a bad practice start then nothing until lap 20 when it stopped working.
And as Paddy said, it seems to have solved itself after lap 20 and stayed good for about 10 laps until it really broke.

Edit: this was pretty interesting,

31 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg Stand by. So we’ve got about thirty seconds before we need to turn off, Nico…
31 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg Twenty seconds before we need to turn off…

They have a time limit set up where they have to solve it otherwise they have to kill the engine.

Brake magic?

Jock Clear Lewis Hamilton So you’ll be in strat mode five and we’ll run the brake magic until I tell you to get it off.

[FW17]

OK I'll waste my life a bit to avoid it's "unsubstantiated claim". I put questionable/close ones to show it was done on purpose all the time:
1: defending against Bottas, off? 9http://i.imgur.com/pisAnXe.png
2. After Alonso overtaking him - you can question but off track + corner + gain (against Magnussen) forced? See: Gro-Masshttp://i.imgur.com/4YFCOPD.png
3. Very next lap hahaha - 9http://i.imgur.com/V4l8TAg.png
Next lap Copse sadly we can't see
4 hahaha - 18http://i.imgur.com/wtneiSt.png
5 Another Copse?http://i.imgur.com/hL1MCJj.png
6 Another - 18 now Alonso complains after 3 unquestionable off trackhttp://i.imgur.com/ocmp5Bw.png
7 Close one?http://i.imgur.com/8WYCzes.png
8 Another - 18http://i.imgur.com/svGNW4p.png
Couple close ones in Copse somewhere in there(no screens)
9 Jokehttp://i.imgur.com/XRuregS.png
10 Not 9, 18 but off=attempt=gainhttp://i.imgur.com/QSxIbtA.png
11 Overtake itself, nice, another jokehttp://i.imgur.com/VoPm2RH.png
6 unquestionable ones including 2(3) on overtake lap

After all the running wide, he did not gain an advantage (still behind) so why penalize? The place he tried his overtakes were on wellington straight, luffield and into copse.

[Waywardism]

After all the running wide, he did not gain an advantage (still behind) so why penalize? The place he tried his overtakes were on wellington straight, luffield and into copse.

Well he ran wide at the very corner he made the pass. I still can't believe he got away with it.

[Dragonfly]

Some people here seem to be convinced that those cars move on rails ...

[beelsebob]

After all the running wide, he did not gain an advantage (still behind) so why penalize? The place he tried his overtakes were on wellington straight, luffield and into copse.

He ran wide in copse - that's the corner he passed at. The reason he ran wide is because he braked later than Alonso.

[jz11]

Nice, so a bad practice start then nothing until lap 20 when it stopped working.
And as Paddy said, it seems to have solved itself after lap 20 and stayed good for about 10 laps until it really broke.

Edit: this was pretty interesting,

31 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg Stand by. So we’ve got about thirty seconds before we need to turn off, Nico…
31 Tony Ross Nico Rosberg Twenty seconds before we need to turn off…

They have a time limit set up where they have to solve it otherwise they have to kill the engine.

Brake magic?

Jock Clear Lewis Hamilton So you’ll be in strat mode five and we’ll run the brake magic until I tell you to get it off.

or just maybe the ICE is generating heat as it is idling and needs air flow through the radiators to keep it from overheating?

[strad]

After all the running wide, he did not gain an advantage (still behind) so why penalize?

Because it's against the rules and they were told they would be penalized for it. Pretty straight foreword... The track is the track and they are/should be required to stay on the track.