Engine Unfreeze

[Juzh]

Departure from V6 Turbo's on cards
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 5885.html/

Not gonna happen. Too much crazy in this one.

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Tobias Grüner F1 @tgruener
#F1 Mercedes rivals consider switch back to V8 engines by majority vote if they can't agree on V6 unfreeze. AMuS: ams.to/Vs

[Jonnycraig]

Departure from V6 Turbo's on cards
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 5885.html/

Not gonna happen. Too much crazy in this one.

Nothing is too crazy for F1.

Ecclestone desperately needs a competitive F1, so would side with Ferrari & Renault. Todt would also go with them so the weight is there to push through the change. The key issue is what the wording is in Mercedes' long term contract to supply V6 engines.

Realistically of course, this will be used as leverage and a full unfreeze will be agreed.

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F1's biggest problem was these new ultra-xpensive engines, an epic mistake, bring back the V8s, or better still the 3.0 V10s

[bhall II]

I didn't know about this:

DTM changes regulations to help Mercedes to catch up

The DTM organisation has for the first time in 30 years decided to change the regulations mid-season, in order to allow Mercedes to further develop their struggling C-Coupé model, according to Auto Motor & Sport.

The decision was jointly taken yesterday in a meeting between the DTM organisation, Audi, BMW and Mercedes.

This means that Mercedes are allowed to break the homologation deadline to develop new parts until September 28th, as well as completing an exclusive test day. Audi and BMW will not be granted the same exceptions and have their chassis and aerodynamic features of the RS 5 and M4 models frozen until the end of 2015.

The Mercedes drivers have struggled severely in the first three races of the year, although Christian Vietoris’ was able to take a surprise victory in the rain chaos at Oschersleben. The C-Coupé has been reported to be four tenths of a second slower per kilometer compared to the Audi and BMW.

[astracrazy]

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F1's biggest problem was these new ultra-xpensive engines, an epic mistake, bring back the V8s, or better still the 3.0 V10s

BS

The manufacturers are spending the same; only now they are charging a huge sum to their customers who are more than 1

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BS

The manufacturers are spending the same; only now they are charging a huge sum to their customers who are more than 1

And this you know how, why would they charge the customers so much more this year if the cost is the same?

Nice comment btw, classy.

[astracrazy]

F1's biggest problem was these new ultra-xpensive engines, an epic mistake, bring back the V8s, or better still the 3.0 V10s

BS

The manufacturers are spending the same; only now they are charging a huge sum to their customers who are more than 1

I would say the high prices are part of paying for the engine/power unit (which there are 6 parts to now) and the manufactures recouping some costs for the last few years.

I would expect there costs have increased some what. The cost of R and D would have shot up in recent years having to develop a whole new engine formula compared to an engine which was completely frozen. So the manufactures would of surely taken the "hit" on this for the last 3-4 years.

it's like anything when something is made. the manufactures r and d's it, then makes it and you buy it for a price. that price isn't just the cost of making it, it also goes towards the overall cost of the project and the future. Its no different here.

If the engines were never brought in, the prices would never have gone up - because they wouldn't of needed to

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It's obviously to cover for the development costs of completely new engine technology, where MHPE is said to have spent 400 MEUR.

[astracrazy]

It's obviously to cover for the development costs of completely new engine technology, where MHPE is said to have spent 400 MEUR.

Merc have spent $400M on it? So the proofs there isn't it. It's $400M which would not have been spend otherwise. .

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BS

The manufacturers are spending the same; only now they are charging a huge sum to their customers who are more than 1

And this you know how, why would they charge the customers so much more this year if the cost is the same?

Nice comment btw, classy.

in the days of V10 development would have been same as what we have today.

I don't know the cost today just as I dont know what it was 10 years back

[xpensive]

It's obviously to cover for the development costs of completely new engine technology, where MHPE is said to have spent 400 MEUR.

Merc have spent $400M on it? So the proofs there isn't it. It's $400M which would not have been spend otherwise. .

MHPE, Ferrari and Renault are simply offloading the PU-development costs on their customers, that's how business works.

I'ts certainly not the cost of the engine itself, but the different ERS-systems.

[astracrazy]

BS

The manufacturers are spending the same; only now they are charging a huge sum to their customers who are more than 1

And this you know how, why would they charge the customers so much more this year if the cost is the same?

Nice comment btw, classy.

in the days of V10 development would have been same as what we have today.

I don't know the cost today just as I dont know what it was 10 years back

for sure, the costs then were ridiculous for little gain. But the teams must of been paying more as well compared to recent V8 times with the amount of engines they were going through at the time?

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in the days of V10 development would have been same as what we have today.
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I doubt it, these ERS-systems are xorbitantly xpensive to develop.