Alonso's Crash

[bdr529]

3. How often do you see memory loss even in big crashes?

Here one for starters http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12473 ... mber-crash

Alonso is human, his brain is as fragile as anyone else.

I'm sure it happens more then we think, Don't forget that the drivers are in seats with safety belts on, and it's always a minute or so before we see them get out of a car, giving the driver time to collect their thoughts.
on the other hand we get to see Hockey/Football players scramble around getting back up on their feet like newborn giraffes

[Redragon]

3. How often do you see memory loss even in big crashes?

Here one for starters http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12473 ... mber-crash

Alonso is human, his brain is as fragile as anyone else.

Vettel also had a spin in Barcelona. Who let these rookies onto the track eh?

I'll not bother asking about the "silly lies" or we'll run out of tinfoil hats.

And I believe this article info about concussions are not only for big crashes

http://www.brainline.org/content/2009/0 ... geall.html

As eg: my grandmother I don't think she can manage 1 mph, but she felt, had slightly concussion and can't recall what happen on the accident. And she is not a rookie

[Richard]

Tim - I can see how wind combined with running over the astroturf would unsettle the car. We'd not be surprised that it would need correction by the driver.

Other drivers have said they were disrupted by the wind. http://richlandf1.com/?p=33810 and http://www.espn.co.uk/tororosso/motorsp ... 92251.html

What is concerning is that it might infer an inherent instability in the design that someone with Alonso's experience couldn't correct?

[mertol]

3. How often do you see memory loss even in big crashes?

Here one for starters http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12473 ... mber-crash

Alonso is human, his brain is as fragile as anyone else.

Vettel also had a spin in Barcelona. Who let these rookies onto the track eh?

I'll not bother asking about the "silly lies" or we'll run out of tinfoil hats.

Your post doesn't make any sense and here is why:

Vettel spun when he went over the limit, Alonso wasn't anywhere near the limit and even if he lost control he could come to a complete stop or slow down significanlty before reaching the wall. Considering he was conscious and his car was fine at the time ofcourse...

You just compared F1 to rally. Rally drivers die all the time.

Silly lies refers to the lie-gate and spy-gate.

[Andres125sx]

Because:
1. Mclaren have a history of silly lies.
2. Alonso is not a rookie who can just crash into a wall while going at 150km/h in a corner usually taken at 250km/h.
3. How often do you see memory loss even in big crashes?

He didn´t go at 150km/h in the corner, he crashed at 150km/h after braking on the tarmac, so he should be going very close to those 250km/h in the corner


There is a video showing Alonso on corners 1 and 2 the same lap he crashed, just some meters before the accident, and he was far from slow.... maybe not race pace but he was not cruising around. Also you can see there Vettel going wide and when he return to the track he´s far from the McLaren. He said Alonso was going slow, but I think he only saw the McLaren after Alonso applied brakes, just before crashing with the wall

[Del]

Tim - I can see how wind combined with running over the astroturf would unsettle the car. We'd not be surprised that it would need correction by the driver.
...
What is concerning is that it might infer an inherent instability in the design that someone with Alonso's experience couldn't correct?

That's where I get confused - the correction (if there was one),isn't the one that almost every person would do. Now I'm not asking you to agree with me,but if he did went too wide,and the car did oversteer to the right,shouldn't he correct it with hard left... it's something that even non experienced driver would do... instead,we see only tire marks from the brakes,and he downshifted...but the direction is stil to the right. Maybe...now just maybe the wind prevented that correction somehow... but it's unlikely scenario... I don't think that the car,even blown by the wind,would loose it's touch with the ground in a manner that you won't see any marks or indication of counter steering... loose the grip , okay,but fly arround so there's no way to counter steer - don't think so.

[Andres125sx]

So this is my theory wich doesn´t need any conspiracy

Alonso was slowing down after a hot lap to cool down the tires and suddenly found himself going out of the track (this is not suposition, but what he said himself), then if we buy McLaren´s statement we can supose a wind gust pushed his car to the outside. Since the usual line for this corner is going out at the very outer limit of the track, the wind pushed him to the astroturf, what caused the car to oversteer.

Then the oversteer put his car heading the wall at the inside, did the correction needed but the wall was too close and the car was going fast, so he didn´t have space enough to correct before crashing with the wall. He applied brakes (or the marks could be due the the car sliding laterally after a strong correction to put the car heading forward) and the car collided laterally with the wall. The crash was perfectly lateral to the wall, so the suspension arms didn´t bend/brake (what would have absorved part of the energy) but transmitted all the energy to the cockpit, causing a big deceleration, and Alonso´s concussion


How does this sound?

[Andres125sx]

Tim - I can see how wind combined with running over the astroturf would unsettle the car. We'd not be surprised that it would need correction by the driver.
...
What is concerning is that it might infer an inherent instability in the design that someone with Alonso's experience couldn't correct?

That's where I get confused - the correction (if there was one),isn't the one that almost every person would do. Now I'm not asking you to agree with me,but if he did went too wide,and the car did oversteer to the right,shouldn't he correct it with hard left... it's something that even non experienced driver would do... instead,we see only tire marks from the brakes,and he downshifted...but the direction is stil to the right. Maybe...now just maybe the wind prevented that correction somehow... but it's unlikely scenario... I don't think that the car,even blown by the wind,would loose it's touch with the ground in a manner that you won't see any marks or indication of counter steering... loose the grip , okay,but fly arround so there's no way to counter steer - don't think so.

There are marks..... just posted before your reply

And I wonder how can you guys analice wheel position AFTER crashing with a wall with the front wheels..... It´s the impact what put both the wheel and the front wheels at that position, not the driver. The driver will release the wheel before crashing with the wall, he could break his hands otherwise.

[bauc]

FIA to investigate Fernando Alonso's McLaren Formula 1 test crash.

The FIA has confirmed that it is to investigate the circumstances surrounding McLaren driver Fernando Alonso's Barcelona Formula 1 testing accident to find out if lessons can be learned.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117820

[dans79]

FIA to investigate Fernando Alonso's McLaren Formula 1 test crash.

The FIA has confirmed that it is to investigate the circumstances surrounding McLaren driver Fernando Alonso's Barcelona Formula 1 testing accident to find out if lessons can be learned.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117820

It's about time, because this entire thing smells very fishy.

[Del]

...
.. The driver will release the wheel before crashing with the wall, he could break his hands otherwise.

No hands on the steering wheel before he drifted in to the crash (check pics from my post a few pages back).
The tire marks,I would suggest that they are from applying the brakes. When you spin,and you countersteer (assuming he had time to countersteer,I don't know if that's the case) you leave verry different marks on the ground as we all probably know.

Not a conspiracy fan, I just can't see the whole picture,at least not from the facts that are described so far...
In my engineering program,there was a class about investigating car crashes (not saying I'm good at it,not at all... I am an engine guy),so as a topic this is interesting for me.I am not trying to be annoying... and I don't try to say that anything said is true or false...

[Andres125sx]

No hands on the steering wheel before he drifted in to the crash (check pics from my post a few pages back).

I did but frankly, the picture is too far to assure that´s the wheel with no hands on it. Also, I guess what you mean there is he was unconsciuous at that point, but the braking marks rule out that theory instantly, so sorry but you didn´t convice me

[Del]

No hands on the steering wheel before he drifted in to the crash (check pics from my post a few pages back).

I did but frankly, the picture is too far to assure that´s the wheel with no hands on it. Also, I guess what you mean there is he was unconsciuous at that point, but the braking marks rule out that theory instantly, so sorry but you didn´t convice me

No, that's the weird part - as I said before, I don't think he was unconsciuous (I even stated that based on the braking marks in my first post). So far I just see it as a really strange crash and no reasonable explanation about how it happened,and why it happened.

[frosty125]

I'm not sure if it has been previously mentioned but I wonder if the unique layout of the McLaren suspension where the lower wishbone is more laid back bracing it from loads in that direction. Perhaps the rear made contact first did not deform much then snapping the front right into the wall.

[motobaleno]

http://www.f1analisitecnica.com/2015/02 ... ml?refresh

an analysis of the crash by f1analisitecnica.
there is some interesting and not trivial photographic reconstruction