Mercedes AMG F1 W06

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thank you for your answer sector one, i was probably too fast there. :)

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Mercedes domination is guaranteed pretty much everywhere with a clean, trouble-free weekend. The W06 is mega at every style of track. Malaysia was the only exception since the V6 era :lol:

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J0rd4n wrote:Mercedes domination is guaranteed pretty much everywhere with a clean, trouble-free weekend. The W06 is mega at every style of track. Malaysia was the only exception since the V6 era :lol:
I disagree. The W06 has shown it has a clear weakness - high speed tracks.

Other teams have been much closer at Canada, Austria and Bahrain than anywhere else (Malaysia being somewhat of an anomaly).

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Silverstone is a high speed track and they did pretty well there. If they hadn't had the silly launch issue on both cars then one or both would have left the rest for dead, including the Williams.
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I don't know if that is the best example, one brings quite a lot of downforce to Silverstone.

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Moose wrote: I disagree. The W06 has shown it has a clear weakness - high speed tracks.

Other teams have been much closer at Canada, Austria and Bahrain than anywhere else (Malaysia being somewhat of an anomaly).
They have 2 weaknesses, if you want to call them that, and high speed tracks isn't one of them.

1. Fuel limited tracks - You can't run away from the field if you have to lift and coast to save fuel, thus you stay just far enough ahead to win.
2. high tire degradation tracks - You can't run away from the field if you obliterate your tires doing so, thus you stay just far enough ahead to win.
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AMUS: Merc trick front suspension secret of success?

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Quite interesting comments regarding last corner from your link,
Mercedes kills competition at the last corner
Force India made in qualifying at Silverstone an interesting discovery. In the detailed analysis GPS turn by turn came out that Mercedes wins in the competition for most of the stretch Vale and Club. "In the last corner, they have all killed," says Force India technical director Andy Green.

A rather slow passage in which not only output plays a role. What Green closes it? "Apparently his rear tire holds the Mercedes in the first part of the round in such good shape that they still provide grip in the final corners. For all other temperature already goes up there." Are there any arguments for a superior output. The Mercedes slips less than the other cars, thus ensuring that the tires remain in its working window.

Genuine FRIC-system for the front axle?
But the Force India engineers is something else noticed. "The drive on the front axle with an unusual amount of travel. This will help them over the curbs. Still, the car is extremely deep front. That does not really fit together."

The assumption: Mercedes, the front axle in the slow passages with any trick "pump up" without having to sacrifice in the fast on a sharp angle forward. That would be an increase of aerodynamic and mechanical grip. As long as the axes are front and rear non-networked (Fric), it is also allowed.
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A front suspension system that has good travel in slow speed but yet holds the front ride-height at high speed.
A rear drive and suspension system that reduces wheel spin to almost zero in the low speed turn to keep the tyres working across a broad range of conditions.

Hmm. Could very well be their secret to success?
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Remember in 2013 where Merc were still very good in qualifying, especially during first half of the year. They dominated at Silverstone during that year too in quali and thinking back to Barcelona, rivals said they gained 5 tenths over most in the last corner and no one could work out how. Back then the FRIC was still active but it could be they gained from this suspension technique too.

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dans79 wrote:
Moose wrote: I disagree. The W06 has shown it has a clear weakness - high speed tracks.

Other teams have been much closer at Canada, Austria and Bahrain than anywhere else (Malaysia being somewhat of an anomaly).
They have 2 weaknesses, if you want to call them that, and high speed tracks isn't one of them.

1. Fuel limited tracks - You can't run away from the field if you have to lift and coast to save fuel, thus you stay just far enough ahead to win.
2. high tire degradation tracks - You can't run away from the field if you obliterate your tires doing so, thus you stay just far enough ahead to win.
But doesn't everyone suffer from those weaknesses? The W05 was the kindest on it's tyres, so it kinda invalidates number 2 if they follow the same trend. And the initial thoughts were that Ferrari were thirstier than Mercedes, no idea if that's carried through to this year. In places like Canada, we only saw Mercedes doing fuel-saving really but they weren't the only ones. The media just concentrated on it because they're at the front. Also I wouldn't be surprised if they conserved the engine a lot in Canada just to be on the safe side.

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J0rd4n wrote: But doesn't everyone suffer from those weaknesses? The W05 was the kindest on it's tyres, so it kinda invalidates number 2 if they follow the same trend.
You got to remember we are talking about highly sensitive and very small margins. The tires have changed since last year, and so has the nose rules, not to mention Ferrari has improved a great deal as well.

look back at the mid season tire change in 2013, RBR went from being a little bit better than Merc, to way better, because of a slight tweak to the tires.
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Every comparison video I've seen of the W06 vs any other F1 car basically has them having much more grip in slow turns.

In this comparison you clearly see the Mercedes is just faster in everything that is slow speed.
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I've noteced that also last year in corners. You see in corners that the merc is tilting more than the ferrari and therefore has a smoother ride

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In the beggining of the year Scarbs said that they had 2 heave springs at the front, one "normal", one hydraulic.

Does anyone knows what kind of setup the other teams are running?