2015 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, September 4 - 6

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Do you believe the dribble that you post in every thread? Every post of yours is fanboy crap for Hamilton.

So far it's been true. Come back to me when you prove me wrong.

No one can prove u wrong!
You would just not accept true and try to use lame sarcasm as always

Nothing new coming from your posts. Just ranting and trolling

What is that you want me to accept? And you are responding to ranting and trolling, which is exactly the same.

[Shrieker]

Lewis would've taken pole regardless of the new engine. Just look at the average quali gap between him and Rosberg this season.

Simple science.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Lewis would've taken pole regardless of the new engine. Just look at the average quali gap between him and Rosberg this season.

Simple science.

2015 Qualifying Gap




First Practice - Monza:
Lewis 1m24.670s
Nico 1m25.133s
Gap +0.463s

Second Practice - Monza:
Lewis 1m24.279s
Nico 1m24.300s
Gap +0.021s

Third Practice - Monza:
Lewis 1m24.544s
Nico 1m24.843s
Gap +0.299s

You make the statement that you made, based on the above statistics, people feel it is "Lewis fanboyism".

[GPR-A duplicate2]

And now some food for thought regarding the PU performance.

Difference between Medium and Soft, AS PER PAUL HEMBERY IN Team Principal's Press Conference, is 1.2 seconds.
FP1
Lewis - Medium - 1m24.670s (On soft, the same could have been 1m23.4xxs)
Vettel - Medium - 1m26.258s (On soft, the same could have been 1m25.000s)

FP2
Lewis - Soft - 1m24.279s
Vettel - Soft - 1m25.028s

FP3
Lewis - Soft - 1m24.544s
Vettel - Soft - 1m24.798s

Quali - Q1
Lewis - Medium - 1m24.251s
Vettel - Medium - 1m25141s

Quali - Q2
Lewis - Soft - 1m23.283s
Vettel - Soft - 1m23.577s

Quali - Q3
Lewis - Soft - 1m23.397
Kimi - Soft - 1m23.631

All the while, Lewis' times have remained the same from FP1 to Quali Q3, whereas Ferrari have a jump of around 1.5 seconds. If Lewis would have put a soft in FP1, his time would have been same as Q3. Normal? It has been a known factor all year long that, Mercs turn down their engines in Practice. Is Ferrari REALLY just two tenth down?

[Spoutnik]

Everyone forgot an important thing, this year as the Merc teams members says, their car are far better in mid-high speed corner, I'm not so surprised I mean. And Ferrari seems always better in slow-mid speed corner and mainly in top speed trap. On Hamilton's pole lap we can see 350kph with strat.1 + engine improvement but, Ferrari can outperformed them on this point +350kph. Look at Spa, in the S1 even with Eau Rouge they were not so much above the other, they made all the difference in the S2.
And also after the race Lewis don't seems and he say, he's not fully satisfied of his hot lap.

I think quiet honestly Ferrari can be a threat tomorrow in race, with their top speed trap and the support of the tifosi.

[Racer X]

Hulk didn't had enough fuel to complete his inlap

should be a penalty then I guess, starting last, like Vettel in Abu Dhabi?!

Well I sure hope not but if he does then we will see an interesting and extremely exiting battle from Hulkenberg to get back into the top 10 from the back of the grid.

[Racer X]

Everyone forgot an important thing, this year as the Merc teams members says, their car are far better in mid-high speed corner, I'm not so surprised I mean. And Ferrari seems always better in slow-mid speed corner and mainly in top speed trap. On Hamilton's pole lap we can see 350kph with strat.1 + engine improvement but, Ferrari can outperformed them on this point +350kph. Look at Spa, in the S1 even with Eau Rouge they were not so much above the other, they made all the difference in the S2.
And also after the race Lewis don't seems and he say, he's not fully satisfied of his hot lap.

I think quiet honestly Ferrari can be a threat tomorrow in race, with their top speed trap and the support of the tifosi.

The Mercedes engines on the Force India both had the best top speed in the high speed trap. So I don't think so but who knows actual race performance sometimes differs greatly so you might be completely right. But I don't think so. I politely disagree I think Mercedes powered engines will out perform Ferrari in the top speed trap.

[Moose]

My bet would be that Hamilton didn't improve because the team are investigating Rosberg's engine issue, and won't turn up the new shiny toy until they understand what went wrong.

[Spoutnik]

Everyone forgot an important thing, this year as the Merc teams members says, their car are far better in mid-high speed corner, I'm not so surprised I mean. And Ferrari seems always better in slow-mid speed corner and mainly in top speed trap. On Hamilton's pole lap we can see 350kph with strat.1 + engine improvement but, Ferrari can outperformed them on this point +350kph. Look at Spa, in the S1 even with Eau Rouge they were not so much above the other, they made all the difference in the S2.
And also after the race Lewis don't seems and he say, he's not fully satisfied of his hot lap.

I think quiet honestly Ferrari can be a threat tomorrow in race, with their top speed trap and the support of the tifosi.

The Mercedes engines on the Force India both had the best top speed in the high speed trap. So I don't think so but who knows actual race performance sometimes differs greatly so you might be completely right. But I don't think so. I politely disagree I think Mercedes powered engines will out perform Ferrari in the top speed trap.

But the Fi have always an incredible amount of top speed, it's a matter of shape and also we all know Fi don't benefit of so much downforce indeed. As I said before on a different thread the Italian powerunit isn't far off, and that's the main thing who sustain Ferrari at this level of performance, because thay don't have the best chassis ever, and they don't have the best aero ever imo. Indeed we can judge everything, because we don't know what happenned behind the scene with the new Merc PU maybe Lewis don't take so much risks, maybe Merc wasn't confident and they let the engine in his usual mode and not in strat.1 ?

But, we will have some additionnal answers tomorrow.

[iotar__]

Lewis would've taken pole regardless of the new engine. Just look at the average quali gap between him and Rosberg this season.
Simple science.

Maybe too simple ? This is least scientific sentence possible, I don't understand the motivation for going in that direction. Qualifying second is one thing but fourth with an old engine decides the race. There's no point in comparing Merc engines either. 1. Older 2. All the data, laps, tyres were for the new one (admittedly difference is unknown). Also knowledge that you have a quicker car helps (margin for error).

Mercedes SOTA engine is an unreliable junk but thankfully only for one driver. Hard to compare lap times (new, old engine) but one-stop race which is Pirelli's prediction will not help Rosberg jumping Ferraris. I don't see anything wrong with their top speed or tyres. Qualifying looked predictable with drivers in team pairs and gaps, race order should be similar + one stopper = probably boring.

[SiLo]

To be honest, I don't think Hamiltons pole lap, or his second attempt were actually very good laps for him. He went faster in Q2 so likely just didn't hook up a proper lap. We also don't know about temperatures of the track at the time either.

[Jordan44]

So how come all other Merc teams with new units were so much behind Ferrari on power track? Seems to Ferrari unit was always close to Merc on race pace, but would never be able to extract those ~30hp in Q2 and Q3 unlike Merc. In the end thats exactly what James Allison said few months ago, they arent able to use such a agressive mapping in qualifying as Merc can. Maybe now they can...

Ferrari's works unit is perhaps slightly better than a customer Mercedes in race trim. The Ferrari work's unit isn't close to the Merc work unit on pure performance, in my opinion.

[SiLo]

Also don't forget its a fairly short lap, and the only real differentiators in terms of speed here are straights, so it generally makes sense for the field to be a lot closer together.

[dans79]

Also don't forget its a fairly short lap, and the only real differentiators in terms of speed here are straights, so it generally makes sense for the field to be a lot closer together.

Finally some common sense.........

[basti313]

To be honest, I don't think Hamiltons pole lap, or his second attempt were actually very good laps for him. He went faster in Q2 so likely just didn't hook up a proper lap. We also don't know about temperatures of the track at the time either.

I think so too. Dela Roggia was not clean, first Lesmo quite a gap to the apex and Parabolica very conservative.
There was much more in the car...but a good horse only jumps as high as it needs. With Ros running with a good engine we would have seen a nice fight and the better Merc more than half a second in front of Rai.