2015 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, September 4 - 6

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hotochan wrote:
PlatinumZealot wrote:
basti313 wrote:Wrong tires last race have been a drive through. I guess that will be the result due to political reasons. But a DSQ would also be possible like Ric last year. I do not see anything speaking against these two possibilities, no penalty will not happen if the pressure was really too low and not a measurement error or disagreement on how to measure.
For Ricciardo's case.. It was not a matter of fuel flow rate, it was much worse; RedBull were using their own flow-meter and not the FIA mandated one.
They used the FIA measuring device but ran the engine according to their own flow calculation.
They modified the physical flow meter too. They changed the fittings at the end of it. It was like using their own flow meter.

The method of measure and the calculation in the flow meter transmitter is enough to separate two different flow meters.

For example if you buy a flow meter today, you can set it to compensate for bubbles, surges, oscillations etc.. and it will give you an estimated flow rate in those conditions. Then you can also change other things in the calculation in addition to that. It is like a different flow meter.
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Re: 2015 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, September 4 - 6

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Talking about tire pressure?

Just goes to show how exciting the race was.

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Spoutnik wrote:Always and always issues with those Pirelli crap tires ..
If this was a "SECURITY" recommandations, why, tell me why they let Hamilton and mostly Rosberg go ?
What advantage Mercedes gaining with only 1 tyre at the rear with -0.03 PSI ?
Why the investigation was launch at 15h04 if they hold the result 1 hour before ? And above all why they control only the two Ferrari and Merc car :roll:
This is a joke again, for a Vettel win at home. Hamilton raped everything today he deserve the win. :roll:

Safety, not "SECURITY". Secondly it was -0.3PsI, not -0.03...
Was Nico one of Hamilton's "rape" victims?
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Juzh wrote:Funny how pirelli apologists 2 weeks ago have suddenly become their biggest nemesis.
Have they? I was arguing strongly two weeks ago that we should wait to find out the result of the investigation, and was accused of being an "apologist" for doing so. I'm not saying anything about Pirelli at all today. My beef is entirely with the way that the FIA have handled the issue - they let an "unsafe" car run - the question is why, do they either a) not care about safety, or b) don't think that this is actually a safety issue.
The problem wouldn't be Pirelli, it would be the race steward and whomever greased their palm if a .3 PSI low pressure on one tire is deemed dangerous and unsafe yet it's allowed to be raced on.

Patiently awaiting the results.
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SimRacer wrote:A rule is a rule. And a pretty clear one on that it appears. So why should anyone get a pass for an infringement? And no, just because you like very much driver X is not a valid reason...
Indeed, I don't think anyone is arguing that they should get a pass if they are found to have infringed (at least I hope not). Instead, they're querying the FIA's method of dealing with a safety issue.

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THIS was just played on sky F1:

http://streamable.com/89cp

hahahahahaha keep it up

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The stewards have been "investigating" for longer than the cars were racing. Great advert for F1! :roll:
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Just_a_fan wrote:The stewards have been "investigating" for longer than the cars were racing. Great advert for F1! :roll:
They have to get Merdeces's defence right?

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No further action apparently
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If it's a clear cut rule infraction, as suggested hereabouts, then what takes so long to investigate? It suggests that the rules aren't clear enough, or indeed actually enforceable as written. That's daft.

The stewards won't be siding with Mercedes or the whole issue would have been thrown out an hour ago.
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And Merc keep the win. Good
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Just_a_fan wrote:If it's a clear cut rule infraction, as suggested hereabouts, then what takes so long to investigate? It suggests that the rules aren't clear enough, or indeed actually enforceable as written. That's daft.

The stewards won't be siding with Mercedes or the whole issue would have been thrown out an hour ago.
Toto Wolf just explained that the FIA measured the pressure as high enough when the tires were put on the car. They then later measured them again and found them too low. The no further action was decided based on the fact that Merc put tires with high enough pressure on the car.

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Just_a_fan wrote:If it's a clear cut rule infraction, as suggested hereabouts, then what takes so long to investigate? It suggests that the rules aren't clear enough, or indeed actually enforceable as written. That's daft.

The stewards won't be siding with Mercedes or the whole issue would have been thrown out an hour ago.
I think it also took a couple of hours investigating Red Bull last year at Australia.