2015 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, September 4 - 6

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SimRacer wrote:What a farse. "Just don't do it again, ok?" What a nice precedent.
If the pressures were correct when the tyres went on, how can there be a problem
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So they dsq people in gp2 but not in f1. kden.

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That's daft. If they were OK when put on why check them again? Do the teams adjust pressures on the grid? Again, F1 shooting itself in the foot again.
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Race winner Lewis Hamilton has kept his Italian Grand Prix victory after his Mercedes team was cleared of breaching the technical regulations.


http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamil ... ix-victory
"Stewards determine that the pressures were at the minimum start pressure recommended by Pirelli when they were fitted to the car," said the stewards.

"Tyre warming blankets had been disconnected from their power source as is normal procedures and the tyres were significantly below the maximum permitted tyre blanket temperature at the time of the FIA measurement on the grid and significantly different temperatures from other cars measured on the grid.

"The stewards decide to take no further action.

"Neverthess the stewards recommend the tyre manufacturer and the FIA hold further meetings to provide clear guidance to the teams on measurements."
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Lewis keeps the win and rightly so. I just find it amusing that so many were desperately hoping for a DSQ, Lewis dominated Monza and deserved the victory, let it go and don't lose any sleep over it.

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matt_b wrote:Lewis keeps the win and rightly so. I just find it amusing that so many were desperately hoping for a DSQ, Lewis dominated Monza and deserved the victory, let it go and don't lose any sleep over it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
SimRacer wrote:From the top of my head Schumacher was DQ in Spa in '94 over a couple of milliliters off the limit on his wood plank floor. The Mclarens were DQ from the 2000's Brazilian GP over a few millimeters in the rear wings as were there Saubers in the 2011's Australian GP... so there's nothing new about it.
This is very different benefit though, if any at all. A few milimeters lower ride height can take seconds of your race time. Where a 0.3 psi lower pressure does not even last, once HAM did his lauch off the grid for the formation lap that pressure would immediately shoot right back into range. There was no performance benefit from it. Mercedes' telemetry was showing the pressure to be in specification at all times so there you go.
yeh, if they are going to DSQ over 0.3psi they better have a very well defined procedure for measuring. it doesn't take many degrees C to change the pressure that much

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It's not difficult to account for temperature changes though. Typical half-arsed F1 approach... #-o
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matt_b wrote:Lewis keeps the win and rightly so. I just find it amusing that so many were desperately hoping for a DSQ, Lewis dominated Monza and deserved the victory, let it go and don't lose any sleep over it.

Spot on mate, if Pirelli were there and said the pressures were ok when Merc put the tyres on, how the hell can people call it cheating!

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Now that this matter is settled do you have HAM, VET and ROS last 5 lap times?

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There's no doubt that Hamilton is the rightful winner. He dominated the weekend and even Vettel said, after the race, that Hamilton was the moral victor.

It's sad that the weekend ended the way it did thanks to the FIA not being able to get its act together.
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Well i thought that was going the other way, guess Mercedes have some pretty smart guys arguing the case.
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langwadt wrote:
PlatinumZealot wrote:
SimRacer wrote:From the top of my head Schumacher was DQ in Spa in '94 over a couple of milliliters off the limit on his wood plank floor. The Mclarens were DQ from the 2000's Brazilian GP over a few millimeters in the rear wings as were there Saubers in the 2011's Australian GP... so there's nothing new about it.
This is very different benefit though, if any at all. A few milimeters lower ride height can take seconds of your race time. Where a 0.3 psi lower pressure does not even last, once HAM did his lauch off the grid for the formation lap that pressure would immediately shoot right back into range. There was no performance benefit from it. Mercedes' telemetry was showing the pressure to be in specification at all times so there you go.
yeh, if they are going to DSQ over 0.3psi they better have a very well defined procedure for measuring. it doesn't take many degrees C to change the pressure that much
I could calculate this if I looked up the exact size of tyre volume and knew the tyre wall thicknesses but my guess is that about 5C drop in tyre temperature would probably cause the 0.3psi drop below 19.5psi. All this assumes that the target pressure was 19.5psi.

Please can we have some decent tyres!

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Not trying to take anything away from him, but he had no competitor this weekend. Technically, there was no car on that grid capable of being faster, not even his teammate's.

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Chene_Mostert wrote:
Spoutnik wrote:Always and always issues with those Pirelli crap tires ..
If this was a "SECURITY" recommandations, why, tell me why they let Hamilton and mostly Rosberg go ?
What advantage Mercedes gaining with only 1 tyre at the rear with -0.03 PSI ?
Why the investigation was launch at 15h04 if they hold the result 1 hour before ? And above all why they control only the two Ferrari and Merc car :roll:
This is a joke again, for a Vettel win at home. Hamilton raped everything today he deserve the win. :roll:

Safety, not "SECURITY". Secondly it was -0.3PsI, not -0.03...
Was Nico one of Hamilton's "rape" victims?
I'm sorry but safety or security that's the same song, they don't have to let him go !
Thanks for the correction.
. Yes Rosberg getting raped, even with 6 races old PU and Hamilton with a new PU after his pit Rosberg turn in the same time as his teamate. Hamilton deserve the win, lot ot people thinks and I can read before the race (not here) "Hamilton will panic under the pressure of the two Ferrari so close behind him".