RBR were using a high DF setting for the wet, so better in the first part of the race, worse at the end. Sure Renault is not as powerfull as merco's one, but engine seems to be smooth and deliver power at low rev (driveability), and not so bad in "slow" tracks.lebesset wrote:I think the usa GP made it quite clear why mercedes and ferrari won't give RBR a competitive engine
the weather negated their power advantage and immediately the bulls were quicker than they were even with their underpowered cars .....with equal power they would have been off into the distance !
Perhaps, we should compare RBR to STR pace lap per lap to try to sort this...NL_Fer wrote:Don't be so sure. Redbull made a mistake staying out the first real safety car, than Ricciardo got hit by Perez which ruint his race.
Actually Phil,Phil wrote:Foxhounds problem is that he's stuck in a circular argument since page 34. Back on page 34 of the RedBull thread, he openly argued that Mercedes was not afraid of supplying RedBull with engines. On those pages or there abouts within that time frame, there were various conflicting messages from Toto and obviously the higher up board that entertained the idea'...Andres125sx wrote:As Foxhound posted, that´s RedBull problem. They did it so bad I´m not the only one thinking they actually are willing to leave F1, so you can´t blame F1 for that.
Renault supplies RBR (payment required) _but_ gives them 35 M€ a year to have the infinity trademark (so engines are more than free of charge). Nobody want to supply them.AnthonyG wrote:I would supply Red Bull their engines as a manufacterer, with a large emblem on the engine cover. They still have a great chassis and winning, if anything, last weekend was thé case to supply Red Bull as a non-mercedes team.
Yep, because I'm well aware of how F1 has, and will continue to work. It requires an excellent working relationship between people in the three major F1 disciplines, Namely chassis, aero, & engine.NL_Fer wrote:@Dans79
What you are basicly saying, that if you would be a wealthy sports fan, who is willing to invest 600 Million in the sport, hire the best designers, engineers and drivers. But never will be able to win the championship, for the simple reason you are not a manufacturer? And you are k with that.
Spot On, that's why the Russian was saying he was confident they could win in the rain.zack! wrote: RBR were using a high DF setting for the wet
RB set up was entirely compromised in the dry, due to a wet setup.Juzh wrote:RB was losing out 2 or 3/10s in the tow with drs on the start finish straight alone. Even when merc in front didn't have it. Also speeds are not high enough there for aero to matter that much.
yeah, that's current situation. Now the only thing RB wants and needs is a good power unit. They'll take any condition, just as long as it isn't a lower-spec engine.zack! wrote:Renault supplies RBR (payment required) _but_ gives them 35 M€ a year to have the infinity trademark (so engines are more than free of charge). Nobody want to supply them.AnthonyG wrote:I would supply Red Bull their engines as a manufacterer, with a large emblem on the engine cover. They still have a great chassis and winning, if anything, last weekend was thé case to supply Red Bull as a non-mercedes team.
