Scuderia Ferrari SF16-H

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Interesting to see the interaction between rear wing and exhaust plume. Presumably indicative of the rear wing and diffuser interaction too even without a beam wing (or even a monkey seat).
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It seems to me the old chassis if i pay attention to the rear sides, near tires.

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Fine, my bad, is the new one :D

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Interesting!
Looking at this drawing I'm completely at a loss why they went for Pull Rod in the first place. Aerodynamically the new solution should be much better as it obstructs the relevant area much less than the Pull Rod. Yes the Push Rod may be one or two inches longer but in an area that is much less relevant for the airflow to the critical areas of the car. So besides any musings if Pull Rod creates mechanical/kinematic trouble at the front the move towards Push Rod should bring also an aerodynamic benefit. Seems like a No-brainer.

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henra wrote:
Interesting!
Looking at this drawing I'm completely at a loss why they went for Pull Rod in the first place. Aerodynamically the new solution should be much better as it obstructs the relevant area much less than the Pull Rod. Yes the Push Rod may be one or two inches longer but in an area that is much less relevant for the airflow to the critical areas of the car. So besides any musings if Pull Rod creates mechanical/kinematic trouble at the front the move towards Push Rod should bring also an aerodynamic benefit. Seems like a No-brainer.
As you say, last year it was completly useless with pull rod. The reason to use pull rod is to get the suspension joints as high as possible on the tub and in that way, keep the suspension parts away from the airflow in the lower region.
If You look at the -12 Ferrari where it was almost possible to run under the raised nose, it was not possible to achieve that with a push rod suspension.
They kept it one or two seasons too long in my opinion, now they are back on track.

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The waste gate pipes are set wide on the ferrari than on the mercedes engine.
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gilgen wrote:
kreuzass wrote:
gilgen wrote:... because it is something that does not matter. all the cars are built to the rules and there will always be slight differences in measurements. but it will not make any difference in performance!
What? Of course it does.
please explain how.
Gridlock already did. The second post over yours.

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Did not get it. You meant the technical side of this aspect. Sorry. Bhall II steped into the breach. Tank you Bhall II!
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The other interesting thing with the SF-16 is that the nose is still very much rounded at the sides. It seems to have a more or less constant radius up to a point shortly berfore the front bulkhead where it converges over a rather short length into the squared area of the tub / front bulk head. Ferrari still seems to pursue a quite different path from Merc in that area.
While the narrower, boxy and steep Mercedes nose will probably create a vortex in opposite direction of the Y250 and thereby stabilising/energizing the Y250, Ferrari seems to try to move air from the upper side of the nose to underneath (similar to 2014) and thereby push more air to the floor.

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Hard to be sure as the image is blurry, but it looks like the SF16-H diffusor has more squared off corners using the full allowed width, similar to last years Red Bull, the SF15-T had more curved corners. This should increase the expansion ratio and turn the flow harder. The trick will be to keep the flow from stalling.

-- Edit, after seeing pictures from 2/22 testing, I was wrong about the diffusor update. Very similar to last year, with small updated to center segment upper flaps.

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I'am kinda curious though, why did Ferrari officially launch their car in such a spectacular fashion this early?
They gave us so much detailed footage from almost all the angles much earlier than anyone else...
Isn't all of this info a little bit too useful for other teams at this stage?

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dot235 wrote:I'am kinda curious though, why did Ferrari officially launch their car in such a spectacular fashion this early?
They gave us so much detailed footage from almost all the angles much earlier than anyone else...
Isn't all of this info a little bit too useful for other teams at this stage?
Early? They presented the car on friday, that's only two days before most other teams. Besides it's kind of nice for them to launch the car officially, be able to present it and get media attention. It's clear that they're very proud of the new car.

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dot235 wrote: Isn't all of this info a little bit too useful for other teams at this stage?
Honestly, I don't think these three days (of which 2 are a weekend) will make too much difference. This way they can have a proper presentation and can fully concentrate on the test next week without too much hoopla of photographers and media trying to get some pictures of the new car.