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dot235 wrote:I'am kinda curious though, why did Ferrari officially launch their car in such a spectacular fashion this early?
They gave us so much detailed footage from almost all the angles much earlier than anyone else...
Isn't all of this info a little bit too useful for other teams at this stage?
Since windtunnel time and computation had been reduced I notice that copying is slower and not as rampant throughout the grid these days. Resources are also more focused on core problems. Teams have been so open and we see rivals taking a much longer time to immitate than what we have been used to in the past.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
dot235 wrote:I'am kinda curious though, why did Ferrari officially launch their car in such a spectacular fashion this early?
They gave us so much detailed footage from almost all the angles much earlier than anyone else...
Isn't all of this info a little bit too useful for other teams at this stage?
Since windtunnel time and computation had been reduced I notice that copying is slower and not as rampant throughout the grid these days. Resources are also more focused on core problems. Teams have been so open and we see rivals taking a much longer time to immitate than what we have been used to in the past.
agree completely. all we found out in those pictures really was that ferrari has cleaned up airflow to the back of their car which brings it online with conventional wisdom..... the nose is pretty much the same as the red bull and mclaren nose and nobody in their right mind will tinker around with their engine and cooling architecture to copy another team at this point.
the front wing, rear wing and diffuser on the car right now will probably never see a 2016 gp... whats to copy?

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gilgen wrote:please explain how [wheelbase affects performance].
Between two cars that have different wheelbases, but are otherwise identical, the shorter chassis...
  • will be lighter, which allows more flexibility in terms of ballast placement
  • will have increased torsional rigidity, which makes the car more responsive to setup changes
  • will have reduced directional stability, which makes the car more nimble (and might also benefit tire wear)
It's an important element of design.

What makes it relevant to the discussion is that Ferrari has apparently manged to substantially shrink the rear of the car without lengthening the wheelbase. That means virtually everything under the skin has been aggressively redesigned, and that's no small feat, especially when you consider the increased cooling requirements of a (presumably) more powerful PU.

And it seems progress hasn't come easily. From the speculation thread...
ferkan wrote:Lots of news past few days from Italy. 667 was fired up for the first time today, everything went smoothly. Test bench numbers are excellent, the PU produces more then 900hp but still has reliability issues primary from engine knocking. But Ferrari still has to recieve latest fuel from Shell, and will see how testing goes before Melbourne. For now, engine cannot last 4 GPs.
ferkan wrote:In any case they are reporting today that Ferrari might have problems at testing and that there still are vibrations in engine. Said that there is a completely new and very agressive gearbox that created bunch of problems on dyno and are still unsure how that one will go and if it will be used in Barca 1st test.

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bhall II wrote:
gilgen wrote:please explain how [wheelbase affects performance].
Between two cars that have different wheelbases, but are otherwise identical, the shorter chassis...
  • will be lighter, which allows more flexibility in terms of ballast placement
  • will have increased torsional rigidity, which makes the car more responsive to setup changes
  • will have reduced directional stability, which makes the car more nimble (and might also benefit tire wear)
It's an important element of design.

What makes it relevant to the discussion is that Ferrari has apparently manged to substantially shrink the rear of the car without lengthening the wheelbase. That means virtually everything under the skin has been aggressively redesigned, and that's no small feat, especially when you consider the increased cooling requirements of a (presumably) more powerful PU.

And it seems progress hasn't come easily. From the speculation thread...
ferkan wrote:Lots of news past few days from Italy. 667 was fired up for the first time today, everything went smoothly. Test bench numbers are excellent, the PU produces more then 900hp but still has reliability issues primary from engine knocking. But Ferrari still has to recieve latest fuel from Shell, and will see how testing goes before Melbourne. For now, engine cannot last 4 GPs.
ferkan wrote:In any case they are reporting today that Ferrari might have problems at testing and that there still are vibrations in engine. Said that there is a completely new and very agressive gearbox that created bunch of problems on dyno and are still unsure how that one will go and if it will be used in Barca 1st test.
Please present hard evidence and stop quoting such nonsense about Ferrari not being able to complete more than 4 laps.

Get evidence from more than 1 source before posting.

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[Nevermind]
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Fluidd, please, calm down. Ferkan wrote 4GPs, not 4 laps, and saying that it might last 4GPs by the time Melbourne comes. He is quoting news outlets. He is giving his sources (more or less). He is implying that these are rumors making the news and they they might be the real situation (or might not), but at least there is a good chance that they contain a lot of truth.
He is showing information that sounds plausible and not presenting it as the absolute truth. What's the problem with that?
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Any news how filming day went for SF16-H? Any problems with reliability?

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Fer.Fan wrote:Any news how filming day went for SF16-H? Any problems with reliability?
no problems according to Autosprint.
but keep it secret: we are OT :wink:

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Regarding to 4 GPs lifespan (anyway is it 4 GPs or 4 race weekends?) - I don't support this rumor however it inspired me abut one theory.

This year PU need to withstand 5 GPs (or 6? I'm not sure)... However, if you create PU which is more power full but can withstand only 4 GPs wouldn't be so bad. It will be only one penalization for whole championship. And with the loop hole, that you use more engines during one weekend and take only one penalty for that you can actually make the PU suitable only for 3 GPs...
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Ferrari nose news:
A striking feature of the nose : It is prepared for an air guide as she did last year acceptable to the B - model Force India . Even Ferrari has prepared such a solution .

Source=speedweek http://m.speedweek.com/formel1/news/880 ... utton.html

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Mr.G wrote:Regarding to 4 GPs lifespan (anyway is it 4 GPs or 4 race weekends?) - I don't support this rumor however it inspired me abut one theory.

This year PU need to withstand 5 GPs (or 6? I'm not sure)... However, if you create PU which is more power full but can withstand only 4 GPs wouldn't be so bad. It will be only one penalization for whole championship. And with the loop hole, that you use more engines during one weekend and take only one penalty for that you can actually make the PU suitable only for 3 GPs...
They get 5 PUs if 21 races (USA not yet confirmed), and they get 4 PUs if only 20 races. Meaning PUs will have to last either 4.2 or 5 GPs.

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OK, for 20GP variant - 4PU + 2PU for one penalty = 6*3.5GP lifespan PUs and you're fine... :D
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NutritionFact wrote:Ferrari nose news:
A striking feature of the nose : It is prepared for an air guide as she did last year acceptable to the B - model Force India . Even Ferrari has prepared such a solution .

Source=speedweek http://m.speedweek.com/formel1/news/880 ... utton.html

In a text about McLaren.
Sounds like they're talking about the S-duct.

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rough comparison with MP4-31

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photos of course taken from different perspectives (someone needs to teach guys at McL how to take the proper pictures of the top view :) ), size matched to rear axle track length with tyres (551px).

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Are posters allowed to speculate car performance in this thread? The last pages are rife with it.
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