2016 F1 Spanish Grand Prix

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Silent Storm
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Kimi confirmed they changed setup after FP3. Source Autosport.
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GrayGreat wrote:What are the chances of new MGU-H for Hamilton being faster than the old one for Rosberg?
It shouldn't make much difference in qualifying mode.

Tomorrow? Possibly.

henra
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Silent Storm wrote:Kimi confirmed they changed setup after FP3. Source Autosport.
Looks like they are back to the good ol'days when they didn't understand their car.
Changing setup after FP3 you should be damn sure of what you're doing.
Marchionne induced Italian panic mode?

Tauri_J
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Wait...did Fred really said that?

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Very impressive by Verstappen! On a track where everybody ran their car for hundreds of laps, only a few tenths behind a very eager RIC, well done! As a Dutchman myself I've always been held back by being very enthusiastic about the 18 y/o because normally they fall short :P

HAM by the way also really looked like a man with a mission. Normally, because of ROS his methalogical approach, ROS is faster round this track (HAM is faster by "feel" while ROS tend to be faster by practice).

The start will be nerve wrecking:P

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That clearly was something screwy going on at Ferrari - something even they don't understand:

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vette ... ce-736445/

Vettel was a second faster in FP3 than Q3 - everybody else improved by around that much in Q3. So it's basically a 2 second swing against what you might expect.

Bizarre.

Sonador
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Tauri_J wrote:Wait...did Fred really said that?
No he did not say that!
I am impressed with Fernando Alonso, but not by Mclaren ....

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I dont think so. Something very wrong happened to Ferrari today. They were impressively fast all weekend.

Vettel was 1:24.1 with mediums and bad S3, in stint where he went for another 7-8 laps. In Q3 he was 1 second faster on soft tires and running on fumes.

In Sochi Ferrari improved 0.9s, in Bahrain and in Aus more then a second. Here they literally went backwards.

Silent Storm
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henra wrote:
Silent Storm wrote:Kimi confirmed they changed setup after FP3. Source Autosport.
Looks like they are back to the good ol'days when they didn't understand their car.
Changing setup after FP3 you should be damn sure of what you're doing.
Marchionne induced Italian panic mode?
Kimi said they changed the setup looking at tomorrow weather.
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Silent Storm wrote:Kimi said they changed the setup looking at tomorrow weather.
I think someone's having a bit of fun with them...

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Jolle wrote:Very impressive by Verstappen! On a track where everybody ran their car for hundreds of laps, only a few tenths behind a very eager RIC, well done! As a Dutchman myself I've always been held back by being very enthusiastic about the 18 y/o because normally they fall short :P

HAM by the way also really looked like a man with a mission. Normally, because of ROS his methalogical approach, ROS is faster round this track (HAM is faster by "feel" while ROS tend to be faster by practice).

The start will be nerve wrecking:P
I wouldn't call it well done by Verstappen. On a different track 4 tenths mean 2-5 places difference.
And that is pretty much how much faster Ricciardo was to Kvyat all the time.

And don't forget Vandoorne was as quick as Button in the one race he had.

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Q2 - > Q3 improvement:
Ricciardo - 0,9
Verstappen - 0,09
Hamilton - 0,159
A miracle... Mercedes would be writing letters already ;-) .

"Vettel unsure of why Ferrari weren't quick" Excuse me, what "Ferrari"? You were behind your 37 year old barely breathing team-mate. Slow or not you should have been fourth at worst. At least they can't blame it on Mercedes having some magical engine mode. I'm so glad there's some competition even though it's a team of marketing jokes.

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iotar__ wrote:Q2 - > Q3 improvement:
Ricciardo - 0,9
Verstappen - 0,09
Hamilton - 0,159
FP3 > Q3 Improvement:
Hamilton - 1.2sec
Verstappen - 0.7sec
Vettel - +0.1sec


Something is terribly wrong.
Vettel should be able to have at least 0.7sec faster lap in Q3 than he had now. And that's already assuming that in FP3 Ferrari were pushing slightly more than RB which is not necessarily true.

henra
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iotar__ wrote: "Vettel unsure of why Ferrari weren't quick" Excuse me, what "Ferrari"? You were behind your 37 year old barely breathing team-mate. Slow or not you should have been fourth at worst..
Still he was quite quick all weekend long until Qualifying. While all others gained speed, they both rather lost. I haven't seen his lap so I don't know where and how he lost the time on Kimi. if it was over the whole lap or due to a mistake.
Usually Vettel has an advantage of 2 - 3 tenths on Kimi. That would have at least brought him roughly to the level of the Red Bulls.
Anyway, the gap is so huge that it leaves you to wonder how they fu**ed up so completely.
Wind wasn't particularly strong either so we can probably rule out excessive wind sensitivity of the Ferrari.
I simply hope they are not back to correlation problems with their Aero.

Sonador
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rscsr wrote:
Jolle wrote:Very impressive by Verstappen! On a track where everybody ran their car for hundreds of laps, only a few tenths behind a very eager RIC, well done! As a Dutchman myself I've always been held back by being very enthusiastic about the 18 y/o because normally they fall short :P

HAM by the way also really looked like a man with a mission. Normally, because of ROS his methalogical approach, ROS is faster round this track (HAM is faster by "feel" while ROS tend to be faster by practice).

The start will be nerve wrecking:P
I wouldn't call it well done by Verstappen. On a different track 4 tenths mean 2-5 places difference.
And that is pretty much how much faster Ricciardo was to Kvyat all the time.

And don't forget Vandoorne was as quick as Button in the one race he had.
To me Verstappen does not have the same one lap raw pace as Sainz, or Ricciardo.
Where he shines is on raceday, so i am curious about tommorow/rest of the season.

Barcelona is very very setup sensitive, up until the final moments of q3 Verstappen was quicker.
But i think that final lap was just extra ordinary from Ricciardo, he knew it himself too.
Same goes for Hamilton, a track where he often "struggles he did great!

There is great potential in Verstappen, but i think it is to soon for him (the switch from Toro Rosso).....