http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... =4&t=24063dans79 wrote:That's an interesting hypothesis.Jolle wrote: I think I've seen the gear ratios somewhere on F1T and the Mercedes cars have very long first gears. It might be just the case they are a bit more dependent of a slight slipping clutch at the start then the Ferraris or the Williams
It still baffles me that they haven't been able to get on top of this.
MGU K-only mode to get a good launch off right off the line before the ICE kicks in? But I agree, there's something about the SF16-H that delivers a real advantage.dans79 wrote:That's an interesting hypothesis.Jolle wrote: I think I've seen the gear ratios somewhere on F1T and the Mercedes cars have very long first gears. It might be just the case they are a bit more dependent of a slight slipping clutch at the start then the Ferraris or the Williams
It still baffles me that they haven't been able to get on top of this.
Illegal.A-Bap wrote:MGU K-only mode to get a good launch off right off the line before the ICE kicks in? But I agree, there's something about the SF16-H that delivers a real advantage.dans79 wrote:That's an interesting hypothesis.Jolle wrote: I think I've seen the gear ratios somewhere on F1T and the Mercedes cars have very long first gears. It might be just the case they are a bit more dependent of a slight slipping clutch at the start then the Ferraris or the Williams
It still baffles me that they haven't been able to get on top of this.
Either Mercedes are employing a graduate of Hogwarts to put grooves in their wheels or they use a lathe.Ferraripilot wrote:I've always been certain all formula 1 wheels for some time have been of forged magnesium, but with Mercedes' heat sink wheel design they've used since W04, I can't see how such a design could be forged via the traditional process. Could it be possible they are using cast magnesium? If so, the wheel would be about a kilo heavier. If not, anyone care to explain how such a design could possibly be forged.
You would not use a lathe for that, as the groves are parallel to the axis of rotation.graham.reeds wrote:It's just a normal wheel that's been lathed.
In the technical regulation's PU energy flow diagram, it notes that the MGU-K cannot be used before the car has hit 100km/h (unless starting from the pitlane)dans79 wrote:by what rule?hurril wrote: Illegal.
So, starting must be done with the ICE and Turbo alone, what gives Mercedes a disadvantage because they have lower RPM until the MGU-K kicks in. Lower RPM = less power and less control. The longer clutch paddle is a nice touch, but because the Ferrari's don't have to slip the clutch as long/hard as the Mercedes drivers.domh245 wrote:In the technical regulation's PU energy flow diagram, it notes that the MGU-K cannot be used before the car has hit 100km/h (unless starting from the pitlane)dans79 wrote:by what rule?hurril wrote: Illegal.
I still think it is a lathe. I wrote software for them back in the noughties and have seen similar things done.dans79 wrote:You would not use a lathe for that, as the groves are parallel to the axis of rotation.graham.reeds wrote:It's just a normal wheel that's been lathed.
it would have to be a shaper (unlikely), or a muli-axis machining center with a fairly small head.
A lathe won't be used to cut grooves like that. Milling machine, machining centre, but not a lathe.graham.reeds wrote:I still think it is a lathe. I wrote software for them back in the noughties and have seen similar things done.dans79 wrote:You would not use a lathe for that, as the groves are parallel to the axis of rotation.graham.reeds wrote:It's just a normal wheel that's been lathed.
it would have to be a shaper (unlikely), or a muli-axis machining center with a fairly small head.
so according to Lewis/motorsport the clutch was slipping to much.Jolle wrote: I think I've seen the gear ratios somewhere on F1T and the Mercedes cars have very long first gears. It might be just the case they are a bit more dependent of a slight slipping clutch at the start then the Ferraris or the Williams
"Clutch warm, and low torque," said Hamilton when asked what the cause was. "So I let the clutch out and the clutch didn't deliver the torque, the torque was very low compared to Nico's.
"Nico had the torque, not as expected, but still better torque. So my clutch was just slipping. I did the procedure exactly as I was asked to, so I didn't make any mistakes with it.
"The formation start was fantastic, I let the clutch out and it was perfect, perfect torque, no wheelspin. Came round, did exactly what they asked me to do, and the damn thing just slips."
It's all reletive of course. I can have a good start from the lights in second gear. But if there is a guy in first next to me, he's going to beat me.dans79 wrote:so according to Lewis/motorsport the clutch was slipping to much.Jolle wrote: I think I've seen the gear ratios somewhere on F1T and the Mercedes cars have very long first gears. It might be just the case they are a bit more dependent of a slight slipping clutch at the start then the Ferraris or the Williams
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/clutc ... da-778411/
"Clutch warm, and low torque," said Hamilton when asked what the cause was. "So I let the clutch out and the clutch didn't deliver the torque, the torque was very low compared to Nico's.
"Nico had the torque, not as expected, but still better torque. So my clutch was just slipping. I did the procedure exactly as I was asked to, so I didn't make any mistakes with it."The formation start was fantastic, I let the clutch out and it was perfect, perfect torque, no wheelspin. Came round, did exactly what they asked me to do, and the damn thing just slips."
" nothing to do with me, nope"dans79 wrote:"The formation start was fantastic, I let the clutch out and it was perfect, perfect torque, no wheelspin. Came round, did exactly what they asked me to do, and the damn thing just slips."
