2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

[bhall II]

just a few sentences into that article.... "While the two Mercedes cars didn't touch" it's illustrative of the delta between their talent an the respective outcomes wouldn't you agree?

Frankly, I think it was just a racing incident for which waaaaay too much is being made, especially by those whose histrionics would apparently have us believe that Rosberg besmirched Hamilton's mother's honor. I posted the quote to offer a bit of perspective. That's all.

[turbof1]

"...I went deep to keep him outside a little bit.."! #FromTheHorsesMouth

"When you are on the outside you have to expect that. It's tough for sure, but this is not a friendly game of chess..."

~ Lewis Hamilton, Suzuka 2015

Yes, it's somewhere hypocritical. Hamilton has a tendency of pushing out his team mate on previous occasions.

But, correct if I am wrong, Hamilton has not by my knowing deliberately start turning way after the apex. Instead, he would put less turns in the steering wheel to more fluently squeeze Rosberg (again: more then happy to be corrected!). Hamilton would basically drive the ideal line to gradually push his opponent out. Rosberg on other hand deliberately missed the apex of the corner to cut Hamilton out of room.

You decide what's worse. I think gradually pushing out atleast yields some more time to think how to avoid collision. In my eyes Rosberg should have sticked to the apex, at which point he was more then entitled to claim the racing line. The fact he deliberately ran very wide and deliberately started to steer meters after the apex, is for me crossing the line of squeezing fair and squeezing unfair.

[TAG]

just a few sentences into that article.... "While the two Mercedes cars didn't touch" it's illustrative of the delta between their talent an the respective outcomes wouldn't you agree?

Frankly, I think it was just a racing incident for which waaaaay too much is being made, especially by those whose histrionics would apparently have us believe that Rosberg besmirched Hamilton's mother's honor. I posted the quote to offer a bit of perspective. That's all.

The seed of doubt was planted way back in Monaco 2014 Qualifying. Its unfortunate now for Nico that seed is a tree bearing big fruit.

[Phil]

I'd consider it a "racing incident" if it was unfortunate circumstance that came together in an unpredictable way, but not with the clear intend of willing to accept a collision to defend a position at any cost. That is not the ethos of racing or what it should be.

Frankly, i'd prefer it if Rosberg just came out to call it what it is.

[SectorOne]

"...I went deep to keep him outside a little bit.."! #FromTheHorsesMouth

"When you are on the outside you have to expect that. It's tough for sure, but this is not a friendly game of chess..."

~ Lewis Hamilton, Suzuka 2015

I expected a way bigger knowledge about how overtakes work from you.

[turbof1]

"...I went deep to keep him outside a little bit.."! #FromTheHorsesMouth

"When you are on the outside you have to expect that. It's tough for sure, but this is not a friendly game of chess..."

~ Lewis Hamilton, Suzuka 2015

I expected a way bigger knowledge about how overtakes work from you.

Well, Bhall is right in some sense: You shouldn't normally squeeze your teammate at all, morally speaking. It's the norm to avoid risk on collision out of respect for your team. Hamilton squeezed in the past, so it's quite natural Rosberg is giving this a go as well.

But again: there is a difference between how Hamilton squeezes and Rosberg squeezes. I think Hamilton expected Rosberg to claim the racing line and run him wide, but Rosberg just turned meters after the normal point of doing so. That's maybe ok if you are side to side so that your opponent knows where you are, but Hamilton was already with his rear tyres next to rosberg's front tyres.

[ScottB]

just a few sentences into that article.... "While the two Mercedes cars didn't touch" it's illustrative of the delta between their talent an the respective outcomes wouldn't you agree?

Frankly, I think it was just a racing incident for which waaaaay too much is being made, especially by those whose histrionics would apparently have us believe that Rosberg besmirched Hamilton's mother's honor. I posted the quote to offer a bit of perspective. That's all.

The seed of doubt was planted way back in Monaco 2014 Qualifying. Its unfortunate now for Nico that seed is a tree bearing big fruit.

I think that's it, what in isolation might not look so bad, looks all the worse when viewed in the context of the last few years.

Though in this case, for me it looks like he was deliberately trying to run Lewis off; not just squeezing him out, which is an acceptable move. Hell without the contact to bump him across, it's debatable if Rosberg would have even made the corner without running off himself!

[bhall II]

But, correct if I am wrong, Hamilton has not by my knowing deliberately start turning way after the apex...

Rosberg didn't turn away from the apex. Hamilton started his turn at a point that would allow him to take the ideal line through the corner, and he assumed Rosberg would back off, but that didn't happen. Rosberg just kept going.

Below is precisely where it started...



Hamilton was under no obligation to turn when he did, because he had upwards of 75' of track ahead of him. But, he wanted the ideal line.

It was a racing incident.

[NathanOlder]

The reason the outcomes were different, was because the incidents were factually not the same.

Indeed, if it was the other way round, Hamilton would have followed Rosberg on the inside and squeezed him to the outside at the exit, staying on the racing line. Rosberg lacks control in moments like these.

That is what i tried to say, Rosberg lacks finesse that Hamilton has in spades

Its buckets , not spades you *****

[i70q7m7ghw]

But, correct if I am wrong, Hamilton has not by my knowing deliberately start turning way after the apex...

Rosberg didn't turn away from the apex. Hamilton started his turn at a point that would allow him to take the ideal line through the corner, and he assumed Rosberg would back off, but that didn't happen. Rosberg just kept going.

Below is precisely where it started...

http://i.imgur.com/cekMWNU.jpg

Hamilton was under no obligation to turn when he did, because he had upwards of 75' of track ahead of him. But, he wanted the ideal line.

It was a racing incident.

I think pretty much everyone in the world disagrees with you on that. I wonder who's right?

[turbof1]

Rosberg didn't turn away from the apex.

That's not what I said.

Rosberg did not turn into the apex at the point he should have. You could basically state he drove right past it. He did not turn away from it, he just did not made an attempt to turn in at the normal moment.

Hamilton started his turn at a point that would allow him to take the ideal line through the corner

Very much disagree. Hamilton would only be back on the ideal line at the corner exit. All the while he was close to the outside of the corner. This picture of RSZ10 says all:

[GrizzleBoy]

So i overlayed all the relevant frames from the replay

http://i.imgur.com/cLAE0W6.png

Green Line: ideal racing line

Red Line: the one Lewis wanted to take

Blue Line: the one Rosberg wanted to take (judging by his trajectory and him not turning in until the moment marked with the blue X - that's where he reacted to Lewis turning in)

Light Blue Line: Rosberg ended up on it after colliding with Lewis (marked with red)

Pink Line: Lewis ended up on it

marked with yellow-ish is the room Rosberg was left by Lewis, who approaching the corner was in front.

As i see it Lewis went on a line that is the 'ideal' line just further to the outside or 'later' if you will - Rosberg (as he admitted in his FB vlog) just wanted to go straight and turn in at the last possible moment ... does anyone remember the Rossi - Marquez incident last year in MotoGP ? It was very similar.

This post deserves more recognition, if only to highlight just how much intention Nico had of totally blocking Lewis.

There is squeezing on the exit,of a turn. Then there is forcing someone to actually make a turn off track.

With the trajectory Rosberg had, Lewis wouldve had to stop his car on track and literally wait there till Rosberg finally decided to complete the turn, which he barely managed to do while barely moving even after the shunt turned him in the right direction.

[bhall II]

My mistake was forgetting that race threads are incapable of nuance.

Oops.

EDIT: To be crystal clear, I'm neither defending Rosberg nor condemning Hamilton. But, sometimes --- happens.

[Jolle]

Good race by max by the way!

Points since Spain:
1. Ham 85
2. Vet 63
3. Max 59
4. Ros/Rai 53
6. Ric 52

Bit of good luck here and there, bit of bad luck for others... But, not bad!

[Sonador]

Indeed, if it was the other way round, Hamilton would have followed Rosberg on the inside and squeezed him to the outside at the exit, staying on the racing line. Rosberg lacks control in moments like these.

That is what i tried to say, Rosberg lacks finesse that Hamilton has in spades

Its buckets , not spades you *****

English is not my first language, but