2016 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team - Ferrari

[Vasconia]

I'm surprised you can still ask that question with a straight face. Alonso was absolutely right to leave Ferrari, the man who tried to convince him to stay just abandoned ship today. Ferrari are going backwards this year and McLaren look like the better place to be next year with its stability and especially if Honda find those extra horses.

Since Alonso left the team Ferrari scored 25 podiums, including 3 GP wins. McLaren scored exactly ZERO. So yes, he was a fool

You forgot the most important stat, 0 world championships! And no wins this year so already going backwards again. Aero rules changing next year and Ferrari still can't get on top of these ones. Good luck with that but I'm content where Alonso is now thanks

Plus I am quite sure that McLaren will be stronger nex season, but I dont know what to expect from Ferrari. That´s the problem.

[SR71]

At Ferrari Alonso could still have shown how good he really is... now at Mclaren he can't proof anything..

As if he didn't proved enough at Ferrari. Who really care if he isn't proving anymore? He made his place as the best driver on the grid and of this generation. Even if he flops for few more years at McLaren and then retires, nothing changes the fact that he has been one of the greatest drivers of all time. Nothing to prove anymore.

“I had the feeling that Fernando had got it into his mind that he could never win with Ferrari,” Montezemolo said, “and that if he was in a Mercedes he could win with one hand.

Alonso has seen the core of Ferrari and with what he has seen and experienced (definitely way, way more than any arm chair expert here can even imagine), Luca's above statement was absolutely perfect. Alonso wanted everything or nothing. Proving more, getting more podiums, a win here or there isn't what he wanted. The reason why he left Ferrari, is still stands unchanged.

5 years is more than enough to proof one´s patience. But the problem with Ferrari and Fernando became irresolvable in 2014 when he saw that Ferrari had done an awful job with the PU, that was too much for him and I understand why he left the team.

Ferrari is making the same mistakes with Sebastian, they build a good car(2015) and then they fail to improve it the following season. More changes ,more chaos, more pressure and promises but the results remain the same.

Alonso was fired.

[SR71]

But a technical director thrives on pressure and challenge. So again, thanks for proving my point.

There's a difference between the pressure to succeed and that which results from being coaxed to drive off a cliff.

My issue, as ever, is with with your dense, black-and-white sloganeering. Rarely can anything be summed up with a pithy platitude like the one you initially offered.

Incidentally, I completely agree with you with regard to the downvotes. They serve no purpose as far as I'm concerned, least of all when they're used to do nothing more than disagree.

To someone who can handle pressure, the pressure to succeed trumps all other forms.

Again. Someone capable of this can deal with the pressure of insecure management types. Ross Brawn was the master of shouldering pressure from above and letting his team operate.

If you're unable to recognize something like this... That's most likely for a reason. Perhaps you're the insecure management type personality and not the Ross Brawn type?

[Vasconia]

Alonso was fired.

I dont think so.

[RedNEO]

At Ferrari Alonso could still have shown how good he really is... now at Mclaren he can't proof anything..

As if he didn't proved enough at Ferrari. Who really care if he isn't proving anymore? He made his place as the best driver on the grid and of this generation. Even if he flops for few more years at McLaren and then retires, nothing changes the fact that he has been one of the greatest drivers of all time. Nothing to prove anymore.

“I had the feeling that Fernando had got it into his mind that he could never win with Ferrari,” Montezemolo said, “and that if he was in a Mercedes he could win with one hand.

Alonso has seen the core of Ferrari and with what he has seen and experienced (definitely way, way more than any arm chair expert here can even imagine), Luca's above statement was absolutely perfect. Alonso wanted everything or nothing. Proving more, getting more podiums, a win here or there isn't what he wanted. The reason why he left Ferrari, still stands unchanged.

+1
I can't upvote this and Vasconia's post yet so this will have to do for now, good posts guys!

[Jolle]

Alonso was fired.

I dont think so.

I think it's fair to say it was on mutual terms (if he hadn't moved himself, we would be fired) and McLaren was the only place to go (for his payment demands) and the only works seat available.

He's a brilliant driver, but not the best racer to work with.

[ripper]

Again Alonso vs Ferrari vs McLaren?

[iotar__]

Alonso was fired.

I dont think so.

Of course he was not but as you can see this type of BS works on some people. After getting rid of bad eggs like Allison and Alonso Ferrari are so close to success: they have their last "world champion" (might as well hire Fangio he won championships too), Rory Byrne is 'consulting' and the only missing piece of puzzle is Brawn. Remember him, we won a lot then and time stands still. Oh yeah and 'new Schumacher' is leading, disregard numerous missed chances that driver should be blamed for.

The way Marchionne is obsessing about Brawn in any capacity (this consulting part time which is not practical at all) shows priorities, chaos and might suggest more accurate picture of this split. I'm not saying it wasn't mutual but the balance could have been different. Why:
- timetable of events, although purely rumours it was firstly 'Allison might leave' and denials
- the whole public leaks: Marchionne talks to Ferrari people to figure out what's wrong circus, let's see if senior people (hmm) are telling the truth, safe to say they knew he might be leaving before that
- most important:replacement, not prepared, stuck on Brawn even in more marketing than practical role (consulting) and I guess temporary(?) Binotto. BTW shouldn't he be blamed for reliability (Bahrain), turbo and its weight ? No it was all chassis (Allison) of course, investigation showed it.
- suggested conflict (AMuS). Speculative: but the way he left Lotus quickly after Australia '13. Money and perspectives (knew where the team was going) make it understandable but leaving without securing other contract, although highly probable, was still a bit weird. Lotus was running on fiction too. Ferrari had Fry, Tombazis at the time, there were links with Honda etc.

[bhall II]

Not worth it.

[Vasconia]

Alonso was fired.

I dont think so.

I think it's fair to say it was on mutual terms (if he hadn't moved himself, we would be fired) and McLaren was the only place to go (for his payment demands) and the only works seat available.

He's a brilliant driver, but not the best racer to work with.

Thats a more accurate theory. The situation was unsustainable between the team and the driver. But Ferrari was lucky to have a driver like Vettel who wanted to leave RB, if not? what would have happened?

[George-Jung]

At Ferrari Alonso could still have shown how good he really is... now at Mclaren he can't proof anything..

As if he didn't proved enough at Ferrari. Who really care if he isn't proving anymore? He made his place as the best driver on the grid and of this generation. Even if he flops for few more years at McLaren and then retires, nothing changes the fact that he has been one of the greatest drivers of all time. Nothing to prove anymore.

Maybe I need to be honest... I just loved to see Alonso in the Ferrari..
For me it was the perfect match.

[CBeck113]

Amazing how the blind and the vultures come out when problems arise.

The blind:



The vultures (or dogs in this case):


Maybe getting out in the real world would give many the chance to discuss subjects like this without all the drama, and simply sticking to the known facts. Oh wait, I'm in a forum.....

[ripper]

Rumor on italian newspaper: Ferrari is looking for Paddy Lowe

[Scuderia1967]

I'm surprised you can still ask that question with a straight face. Alonso was absolutely right to leave Ferrari, the man who tried to convince him to stay just abandoned ship today. Ferrari are going backwards this year and McLaren look like the better place to be next year with its stability and especially if Honda find those extra horses.

Since Alonso left the team Ferrari scored 25 podiums, including 3 GP wins. McLaren scored exactly ZERO. So yes, he was a fool

You forgot the most important stat, 0 world championships! And no wins this year so already going backwards again. Aero rules changing next year and Ferrari still can't get on top of these ones. Good luck with that but I'm content where Alonso is now thanks

I wouldn't be content fighting for points with Toro Rosso and Force India, but what do I know?

[atlantis]

Rumor on italian newspaper: Ferrari is looking for Paddy Lowe

Source?