2016 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, 16-18 September

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Schuttelberg wrote:Rosberg is going to be secretly hoping the Bulls are quicker. He hasn't a hope in hell of beating Hamilton here. He rather lose 2 points than 7 and keep his hopes of nicking the championship.
With the current Start Lottery(tm), qualifying is irrelevant for the Mercedes drivers. Whoever gets the better start cashes in irrespective of qualifying performance.

To state the obvious, the Mercedes drivers are racing each other now, not the rest of the field. Unless RedBull or Ferrari suddenly start to win every race, a Mercedes driver is going to be WDC. They just need to finish ahead of each other. Winning's great, of course, but they are in "just score more points than him" territory now.
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FP2 is being fun, with drivers of three teams making the fastest laps. I hope 2017 can be like this way!

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Vasconia wrote:
Schuttelberg wrote:Rosberg is going to be secretly hoping the Bulls are quicker. He hasn't a hope in hell of beating Hamilton here. He rather lose 2 points than 7 and keep his hopes of nicking the championship.
I havent seen such a different but if both RB are ahead it could be good for him, if Hamilton is faster as you imply.

Mercedes looks better than last year but we could enjoy a RB-Mercedes-Ferrari(at least Vettel) here!.
Vettel has no hope of winning this time. As a long time fan, this is his best track though. While I'm at best hoping for a podium, I'm convinced he will cane Raikkonen on this track.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Schuttelberg wrote:Rosberg is going to be secretly hoping the Bulls are quicker. He hasn't a hope in hell of beating Hamilton here. He rather lose 2 points than 7 and keep his hopes of nicking the championship.
With the current Start Lottery(tm), qualifying is irrelevant for the Mercedes drivers. Whoever gets the better start cashes in irrespective of qualifying performance.

To state the obvious, the Mercedes drivers are racing each other now, not the rest of the field. Unless RedBull or Ferrari suddenly start to win every race, a Mercedes driver is going to be WDC. They just need to finish ahead of each other. Winning's great, of course, but they are in "just score more points than him" territory now.
I'm not debating the Merc driver winning the WDC theory one bit. But, they do seem to struggle at Singapore. I also feel they will cakewalk the rest of the races on the calendar.

I also don't feel the start is a lottery. It's at least 50% in the hands of the driver and Lewis has shown time and again that he can pass Rosberg even if he loses the start.

I'm convinced Rosberg doesn't have a hope in high hell of beating Hamilton at Singapore, in an equal fight. We will see. If the Mercedes is in Ferrari/RB territory pace wise and they're all fighting for the same positions, Lewis could easily win and Nico could easily end up 5th/6th. He's not beating Seb, Dan or Max in an equal car. So, like i said, Nico will be quietly hoping that Mercedes are clear runners up for this GP.
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Hammer44 wrote:Someone tell FOM to stop using that low onboard camera that is on Vettel and Hamilton's car. You can't see nothing on the right hand side and it diminishes the sense of speed compared to the T cam.
Yea it really sucks.

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Was Singapore the first race pirelli was going to introduce the modified compounds at?

Some teams were unhappy with the performance change in Spa if I remember correctly, was the introduction voted down?

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The caning references are now beyond the obnoxiously passe stage.
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Williams will be scratching their heads over this one...

By the way, isn't the FW14 legal again next year? :D

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Doesn't look particularly promising for McLaren to be behind Toro Rosso and Force India. Still, let's see what qualifying brings.

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watched both practice sessions by trackside and just back now. Ferrari/Redbull looked as good as Mercedes to me. though at some places red bull looked mega , they exit corners at much higher speed and looked quite well planted to the ground. i am putting my money on bulls for tomm. mclaren did not look too bad .they looked quite closer to toro rosso in terms of taking lines in/out of corners.

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Based on FP2 long runs:
- Mercedes are trying to one stop with US and then on S. Their pace on Softs is equaling the pace of RB and Ferrari on US/SS. There isn't any distinguishable difference between US and SS. Way too much of risk to one stop I guess.
- Ferrari's pace on Softs is way far off compared to Mercedes, but they seems to be planning to gamble on strategy between their two drivers. Ferrari needs a happy Vettel, but looks like he isn't. Neither is he sharp on one lap and nor is he on long runs.
- Red Bull isn't even bothered about Softs. So they are just focusing on US/SS.

There isn't much between Ferrari and RB, so whoever lucks into a strategy gamble would come out the winner between the two.

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GPR-A wrote:Based on FP2 long runs:
- Mercedes are trying to one stop with US and then on S. Their pace on Softs is equaling the pace of RB and Ferrari on US/SS. There isn't any distinguishable difference between US and SS. Way too much of risk to one stop I guess.
- Ferrari's pace on Softs is way far off compared to Mercedes, but they seems to be planning to gamble on strategy between their two drivers. Ferrari needs a happy Vettel, but looks like he isn't. Neither is he sharp on one lap and nor is he on long runs.
- Red Bull isn't even bothered about Softs. So they are just focusing on US/SS.

There isn't much between Ferrari and RB, so whoever lucks into a strategy gamble would come out the winner between the two.
One stop in Singapore? There's no way they're even trying . You know they can use tested compounds on more than one stint :wink: ? So Verstappen is the only one with new Renault engine:

A. He needs all the help in the world, imagine the world without strategy gift in Spain and 10 s pitstop in Monaco
B. ""There is no tactic, no strategy, no preference," Renault managing director Cyril Abiteboul told Autosport. "We like Max, but it is just the natural way of managing the engine pool" Abiteboul

Natural way? They don't plan their upgrades, they don't know who and when gets the one available engine and to their surprise it's not their own team? What kind of Ron's speak is that? 'Natural' cycle of hatching of an engine lasts so many months and this one's was in the middle of September. No plans, no production cycle, no reliability testing, nothing. Whether it's the team we want to beat or us doesn't matter :wtf: .

Renault has "no tactic and no strategy" indeed. No wonder they are perpetually surprised how tough it is (no surprise), changing goals every 3 months (pseudo-goals by corporate ignorant), in full chaos and incompetence mode with drivers (Palmer). They're lucky Toro Rosso has Ferrari, in 2017 works team might be the third in line for their own engines - their own natural way of course.

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iotar__ wrote: So Verstappen is the only one with new Renault engine:
Don't read too much into Abiteboul's statements. In Monaco, the one available upgraded PU was put on Ricciardo's car. This is just making things equal.
iotar__ wrote: A. He needs all the help in the world, imagine the world without strategy gift in Spain and 10 s pitstop in Monaco
Remember, Max also took a hit in Germany by allowing Ricciardo to overtake, while he could have rejected the team order.
Christian Horner hailed the team spirit and co-operation at Red Bull after Max Verstappen said he 'took one for the team' by letting Daniel Ricciardo through while the pair were running third and fourth.

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Another wasted race.