2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[HPD]

https://twitter.com/F1byRiki/status/836604790557790210

[damager21]

https://twitter.com/F1byRiki/status/836606675926810624

[HPD]

https://twitter.com/SoyMotor/status/836608964909498369

[RS200E]

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mclaren must buy manor or other second team ...and make a deal with porsche or audi or bmw even ilmor-ricardo for new engine ..to ready for next year ...honda spend 3 years for nothing ...they know from 2014 what the best engine is (mercedes) and its work ..and after 3 years they cant take nothing ...honda culture and work way cant hit the f1 standar...mclaren need european parthner ...maybe ricardo-ilmor engine with mclaren hydrid system can do better job ...than honda and faster .....honda from the very first day it was necessary to run parallel program with mercedes style engine ...to find differents and solutions for they ideas ....they dont doing this they dont wond personels from other and only spend a time for disaster......after 3 years unacceptable start this season ....i think game is over for honda...if mclaren want to be top team again must go on with out honda....

I completely agree with this.

McLaren must find a different direction ASAP.

McLaren with Honda isn't a partnership that McLaren can boast that they are there to win championships, even races, even podiums. What they are now is a team that are happy to have a long term involvement in F1. The car once again looks great but is set for another few years in the midfield.

[proteus]

I must say im very disapointed. i was expecting much more from Honda this year and jet we see another acumulation of failures...I was atleast expecting them getting atleast 100 laps per day - no need for quick ones, just the mileage...

3rd year in the row with one of most aero developed cars on the field which is hampered by unreliable and underpowered engine...And i dont just blame Honda and Mclaren for this, i also blame FOM for their catastrophic management of the sport in which they achieved there are no more independent engine manufacturers and that we have only 4 engine suppliers overall. Thats shambolic and catastrophic. Well done people, u managed to crumble a giant of the sport into a struggling little boy...

[wunderkind]

If anyone should buy Manor, it should be Honda, not McLaren. But we should remind ourselves how the current corporate culture do not easily allow CEO's to pour hundreds of millions of dollars down the drain and get away with it. Japanese CEO's are quite mindful that they have to change their ways in the post-Olympus/Toshiba/Sony environment. I think Honda will very likely pull the plug on F1 when their group earnings take a hit. I'm sure there is an out-clause in the engine supply contract.

McLaren is now in a difficult situation. This year will be as tough as 2016 and they can't be too demanding on Honda (McLaren needs to up its game too) and there really isn't any alternative engine suppliers to replace Honda. They parted ways with Mercedes acrimoniously and I doubt Dieter Zetsche and Toto Wolff would want to have anything to do with McLaren unless Chase Carey asks them to (a McLaren branded Mercedes power train perhaps?). Renault has its own team and the RedBull teams. Ferrari is a no go.

Zak Brown has a lot to worry about from what we are seeing at the moment. He must find a way to arrest the decline before it becomes terminal, or Tyrrell. I'd let Alonso go at the end of this season and use the money to fund the 2018-19 cars. If that don't work out, Zak, Mansour, and other co-owners may have to sell the F1 team to BMW as they have started working together on road car engines, but BMW don't seem too keen to get back into F1 or beaten by Mercedes.

[bauc]

40 laps today, without really any push, just installation laps and driving the car like walking on eggs. My question is, even if Honda redesigns the oil tank, how much time does it take to produce it and deliver it to the track in Barcelona, would there be a fix even for the next's weeks tests? Will that new tank fit in the chassis?

[Jef Patat]

err, that's oil tank

[turbof1]

40 laps today, without really any push, just installation laps and driving the car like walking on eggs. My question is, even if Honda redesigns the fuel tank, how much time does it take to produce it and deliver it to the track in Barcelona, would there be a fix even for the next's weeks tests? Will that new tank fit in the chassis?

I was thinking about using quicker to produce materials or even 3D printing. Even if it is heavier, they could atleast start testing in full force.

However, I came to realisation that the material has to widstand lateral forces, vibratiobs, extreme heat,... . There might not be a quick solution. Although titanium might fit the bill.

Out of what material are these tanks made off?

[FW17]

Zak Brown has a lot to worry about from what we are seeing at the moment. He must find a way to arrest the decline before it becomes terminal, or Tyrrell. I'd let Alonso go at the end of this season and use the money to fund the 2018-19 cars. If that don't work out, Zak, Mansour, and other co-owners may have to sell the F1 team to BMW as they have started working together on road car engines, but BMW don't seem too keen to get back into F1 or beaten by Mercedes.

Mclaren need to build more cars to spend on the F1 team

If Honda move or made to move then there is going to be a huge hole in the budget.

[noxroxafox]

They just need to have their priority's sorted. The car itself is good, at least by her looks. Honda needs to step up their pace and start taking risks in letting their engines run at full strength. Its obviously not good to run their engines at low performance, you can better see what breaks and why it breaks on full force. Maybe it is just me though, however I always believe in knowing why stuff breaks, not mend something that breaks slightly. (Of course, everything considered makes this statement a little less hard and out of place, but I wanted to say it anyway)


The art of winning, know thy competitor

[daren_p]

Out of what material are these tanks made off?

Looks like they are typically made from carbon fiber. Would expect making a new one in carbon would take some time, but as you say, maybe they could make one from aluminum, etc as a temp solution?

[DiogoBrand]

They just need to have their priority's sorted. The car itself is good, at least by her looks. Honda needs to step up their pace and start taking risks in letting their engines run at full strength. Its obviously not good to run their engines at low performance, you can better see what breaks and why it breaks on full force. Maybe it is just me though, however I always believe in knowing why stuff breaks, not mend something that breaks slightly. (Of course, everything considered makes this statement a little less hard and out of place, but I wanted to say it anyway)


The art of winning, know thy competitor

Maybe it's better to have a "slightly broken" engine to find its flaws, figure why they happened and design something better for the next attempt, than an engine blowing with unrecognizeable pieces flying everywhere.

Out of what material are these tanks made off?

Looks like they are typically made from carbon fiber. Would expect making a new one in carbon would take some time, but as you say, maybe they could make one from aluminum, etc as a temp solution?

My guess is that they're made from metal with only a CF casing. I don't know much about carbon fiber, but I don't think it would be the best material to store hot liquids.

[diffuser]

Well apparently we will have some FlowViz Pictures soon, of AMuS is right.

you think they can get enough aero info from that ?

[ollandos]

https://twitter.com/piusgasso/status/836637449132605440